If Muschamp had never been fired, where would our program be?

Gatorraid81 · Jul 25, 2018

I bet we’d still lead the nation in time of possession.

Gatorraid81 · Jul 25, 2018

How about if Mushchamp got fired the day that James Franklin came into the swamp with freaking Vandy and beat our ass and we gave Franklin a blank check to be our coach. Where would we be now? I bet it’s nowhere near where we’re currently at.

Mr.Breeze · Jul 25, 2018

Ancient Reptile said:
So Muschamp would have been worse than mcilwain?

What a stupid thread

SCColaGator · Jul 25, 2018

This thread needs to be burned with fire

ExecutiveGator · Jul 25, 2018

Gatorraid81 said:
How about if Mushchamp got fired the day that James Franklin came into the swamp with freaking Vandy and beat our ass and we gave Franklin a blank check to be our coach. Where would we be now? I bet it’s nowhere near where we’re currently at.

This. x1000.

gatormandan · Jul 25, 2018

Corn sticks and gravy.

Mr.Breeze · Jul 25, 2018

soflagator said:
Just as bad, or worse. Even the recruiting side had taken a hit. People forget that we had a 100+ class when JM took over, with virtually all major targets looking elsewhere. The “shine” wore off in 2013. By the end of ‘14, we’d become a pariah, and rivals were already using the “he won’t be there” pitch, with success.

And as I’ve pointed out repeatedly, our best defense was 2012, which was 90% Meyer’s guys. WM never replaced guys like Floyd, Easley, Elam, etc. Almost every position, outside of DB, saw a significant decline in talent, which for some reason, goes unnoticed.

And opposing coaches flat out admitted tat they didn’t even try to score points beyond a certain point (14 or so)because they knew we were no threat to score. So even the defensive stats are completely skewed.

WM sucked at everything. No actual data could refute that we’d have been just as bad as the last few years.

Spot on

Mr.Breeze · Jul 25, 2018

soflagator said:
Yeah I almost added 200lb DE’s to my list. But even there, aside from Fowler, even that position took a step backwards.

And frankly, it did go unnoticed by most. I still hear people rave about WM’s defensive recruiting ability, and far too many just associate 2012 with WM, completely disregarding the facts.

The Ga Southern game totally exposed Muschamp as overrated on defense

Swamp Donkey · Jul 25, 2018

Gatorraid81 said:
How about if Mushchamp got fired the day that James Franklin came into the swamp with freaking Vandy and beat our ass and we gave Franklin a blank check to be our coach. Where would we be now? I bet it’s nowhere near where we’re currently at.

I dont know that he is elite but he is certainly better than our current or last two clowns.

Swamp Donkey · Jul 25, 2018

Mr.Breeze said:
The Ga Southern game totally exposed Muschamp as overrated on defense

No one can stop the midline.

Except the six teams that beat them that year.

Swamp Donkey · Jul 25, 2018

SCColaGator said:
This thread needs to be burned with fire

Id say DIAF but it triggers some people.

JDW · Jul 25, 2018

We started this long fall when Urban started not giving a crap about anything but that grad assistant and quit on us...there is no magical fix but the fact is look at Bama before Saban got there and even Clemson before Dabo...it’s a long process now and we’re gonna have to take our lumps and wade through this mediocrity until we get someone competent

deuce · Jul 25, 2018

Off season...... desperate for something to talk about so we rehash the WM dumpster fire.

Here goes, WM looked like a good hire but he wasn't!

Unbalanced recruiting and poor game day coaching led to no team growth or improvement.

If he was still here, we'd be an average team with a good defense and lousy offense.

GR8 2B · Jul 25, 2018

We'd have something like a 3-2 record vs. Charleston Southern.

TheDouglas78 · Jul 25, 2018

So we keep Muschamp, we still have no offensive line, we play four DE on the defensive line, we still have quality at DB, we keep DBs at WR instead of guys who can catch the ball, Harris or Grier is probably killed behind that offensive line. Muschamp's recruiting was incredibly uneven a bunch of DBs and no linemen with girth. We might have been worse in 2015 and 2016... but we would have still be a complete dumpster fire in 2017.

soflagator · Jul 25, 2018

Omar's Coming Yo! said:
That recruiting class fell apart because of WM being fired. We wouldve had Cowart, Holland, Baker, Adonis Thomas, George brown, and a whole host of other things. Will absolutely replaced that talent and the NFL draft shows that. He had 14 guys drafted in the first 3 rounds that were his guys. Grier may have bought him more time but he sucked so bad at offense I doubt it. He's doing the same thing at scar . Great defense, good QB but no OL. The worst thing wasn't that WM got fired it's that Foley paid so much to hire Mac and then refused to fix the facilities . Jeremy Foley single handedly destroyed everything about UF football

And yet none of those recruits were willing to commit, in large part, because other programs were telling them that WM was one more bad loss away from being fired, which is exactly what I posted. Had they all been as steadfast as you believe, they could’ve all jumped on board and maybe given JF a reason to reconsider. Even with that group(Holland wasn’t qualifying ftr), we don’t go from 100+ top top 10, which further proves that we were already backsliding under him.

As for the drafts, I qualified my statement with “outside of DBs”, he never replaced talent he inherited. Of those 14, I’m assuming 5(Roberson, VH, Wilson, Tabor and Pool), or over 1/3, were DBs. Again, you’re making my point.
The closest he came to a true replacement was Neal at Safety being comparable to Nelson, Wright or Elam. Aside from him, the safety position(s) went from RFN, Wright, Black, Elam, Hill and Evans...to Gorman, Neal, Washington and a couple other non-impact guys. Bottonline, regardless of the reputation, WM never had a cast of LBs, DTs, OL, or even DEs that compared to the group he inherited, despite openly acknowledging that this was a league won in the trenches in his opening presser.

No real argument on your last part, though I’d blame many of the high level boosters as well.

rogdochar · Jul 25, 2018

If Muschamp had stayed, Florida's time of possession would be longer.

Ancient Reptile · Jul 25, 2018

Swamp Donkey said:
I dont know that he is elite but he is certainly better than our current or last two clowns.

We don't hire clowns-- dolts, incompetents, screw-ups, yes. But no clowns.

Ancient Reptile · Jul 25, 2018

soflagator said:
And yet none of those recruits were willing to commit, in large part, because other programs were telling them that WM was one more bad loss away from being fired, which is exactly what I posted. Had they all been as steadfast as you believe, they could’ve all jumped on board and maybe given JF a reason to reconsider. Even with that group(Holland wasn’t qualifying ftr), we don’t go from 100+ top top 10, which further proves that we were already backsliding under him.

As for the drafts, I qualified my statement with “outside of DBs”, he never replaced talent he inherited. Of those 14, I’m assuming 5(Roberson, VH, Wilson, Tabor and Pool), or over 1/3, were DBs. Again, you’re making my point.
The closest he came to a true replacement was Neal at Safety being comparable to Nelson, Wright or Elam. Aside from him, the safety position(s) went from RFN, Wright, Black, Elam, Hill and Evans...to Gorman, Neal, Washington and a couple other non-impact guys. Bottonline, regardless of the reputation, WM never had a cast of LBs, DTs, OL, or even DEs that compared to the group he inherited, despite openly acknowledging that this was a league won in the trenches in his opening presser.

No real argument on your last part, though I’d blame many of the high level boosters as well.

Surprised. I didn't know facts and logic were permitted here.

Swamp Donkey · Jul 25, 2018

Ancient Reptile said:
We don't hire clowns-- dolts, incompetents, screw-ups, yes. But no clowns.

Dont forget two Dwags and a scUm.

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