This looks really bad (Callaway news)

[LagoonGator68]

All that I read was that Treon Harris made his deal. Callaway chose to deny her allegations and to defend
himself against those allegations. There was not a deal involving Callaway.

That ABC7chicago article mentions no timeline referencing Clune's informing UF about other arbiters --
so unless an actual date is established, Clune's other arbiters contact of UF still may have occurred at
the "last minute". Lawyers are precise, so where is the date of his notifying UF about his suggested replacement
adjudicators. This claim should be precisely established as it cast dispersions on UF's handling this. And that
would snap right into a big money case against UF.

I agree that UF, on its own should never have chosen anyone carrying the appearance of unfair bias.
That mess-up hurts UF and Callaway's standing... really stupid for a guardian of Title IX standards.

For my thinking, there are too many imprecisions in this case:

1) no police report, which is what a claimant should want to strengthen her case ? A case that cannot be
strengthened by officials' examination and written declarations by LE specialists versed in handling sex assault
cases, worries me.

2) The press implying that a deal was made involving Callaway, tints him a shade guilty. (Though he may be
guilty, the press's implication is an unevenness I stump my toe on.)

3) UF's terrible choice of an arbitrator bugs the heck out of me, but that is certainly not any of Callaway's fault.

4) Our knowledge of the very cogent "facts" in this case is inadequate to sustain reasoned debate.

5) It seems to me that I am safe feeling proud that UF has not disparaged the claimant any. Yet all these
months Callaway has been diminished, been exiled from his college, from his sport, etc. That's only
well and good if he is guilty of sexual assault, but if an unbiased arbiter finds him not culpable where's the
fairness in this ordeal ?

These situations, violations need better handling than this path. Of course, if Treon Harris & Callaway assaulted
this young lady as a duo on the same occasion, then that weakens Callaway's "truth". I think it would be much
better if such stuff were handled swifter for all concerned.

You shoulda been a lawyer....

 

[EyeDocGator]

1). I think we know that poor judgment was used in choice of arbitrator.

Would an arbitrator who had majored in women's studies and never attended a football game in her life have been a wiser choice? Based upon the reaction of most people on this board I think they would have thrown the book at these guys if the evidence pointed toward guilt. Truism: Lawyers lie most of the time. Lawyers who are also politicians: all the time.

 

[ufgator812]

That's all you need to know. Again, thank God he's gone.

Yep. I don't understand all of the love for this guy. He was a cancerous turd from day one.

 

[T REX]

Would an arbitrator who had majored in women's studies and never attended a football game in her life have been a wiser choice? Based upon the reaction of most people on this board I think they would have thrown the book at these guys if the evidence pointed toward guilt. Truism: Lawyers lie most of the time. Lawyers who are also politicians: all the time.

Women's studies? Talk about hyperbole. UF could have found a better candidate to hear the case. They dropped the ball. It sure looks like they pulled an FSU to me. Shameful.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Good God you buffoons are easily worked up. Mac didn't even make him change his number, how bad could it be?

 

[LeeForThree]

Women's studies? Talk about hyperbole. UF could have found a better candidate to hear the case. They dropped the ball. It sure looks like they pulled an FSU to me. Shameful.

Please stop...this is nothing like FSU. There are over 1000 pages of evidence, players removed from campus, etc.

My guess is the evidence is so clear there shouldn't be a hearing yet the woman's lawyer wouldn't let it go. So they followed the exact wording of all the rules in picking an arbiter. Does it appear biased...sure, is it against the rules...No.

 

[78]

Fact: Clune is the same lawyer who represented Winston's accuser.
Fact: The parallels between this accusation and that accusation are undeniable.
Fact: UF knew this. So did you, me and the Kansas City milkman.
Fact: UF dropped the ball by appointing a lawyer who had ANY connection to the football program, let alone a booster who gave money, even if it was a buck.

I'm amused by all the gnashing of teeth in this thread, and I'm esp amused at the notion that Harris is any more "guilty" than Calloway because he's a former member of the football team whereas Calloway was expected to be a significant contributor.

We are Florida and we expect better.

 

[Punto]

While I am very sympathetic to victims of sexual assault, I must say with all due respect:

1) The alleged victim irreparably damaged her own case by not going to the police, who would have conducted a thorough and impartial investigation into these events. A case can only be made with evidence, and credible evidence can only be gathered by a neutral investigator. As I have often told the hapless rubes too stupid to get out of jury, the accused is presumed innocent in the eyes of the law. Despite the latent biases within the criminal justice system, this type of investigation would have occurred outside of UF's control, and would have been a much smarter way for her to go. Since her allegations are not supported by any impartially-collected evidence, she has no case.

2) The alleged victim irreparably damaged her own case a second time by refusing to appear at Callaway's UF/Title IX hearing. If she wanted an impartial arbiter, then she should have involved the police. Everybody working in the UF student-discipline system is connected in some way to UF. Period. They can call it a "boycott" all they want, but, when you fail to show up for your "day in Court," you lose the case. Period. There were several ways for the alleged victim and her team to proceed (and protect their rights) in spite of their concerns over the UF booster presiding over the hearing But, refusing to show up for your hearing isn't one of them.

3) Regardless of what really transpired, the alleged victim may still get some money by suing UF and/or Callaway in civil court, but, that will not prevent Callaway from playing this season. Nor will we ever know whether or not this is justice, since the case was botched from the start.

4) As for Treon's involvement, prior issues, transfer, and alleged apology: none of that means that Callaway actually did anything wrong.

5) As for Callaway: he will play this season, but, this situation will dog him (probably for years).

 

[T REX]

Please stop...this is nothing like FSU. There are over 1000 pages of evidence, players removed from campus, etc.

My guess is the evidence is so clear there shouldn't be a hearing yet the woman's lawyer wouldn't let it go. So they followed the exact wording of all the rules in picking an arbiter. Does it appear biased...sure, is it against the rules...No.

If that was your daughter would you feel like you got an impartial arbiter? Yes or no?

 

[LeeForThree]

If that was your daughter would you feel like you got an impartial arbiter? Yes or no?

First, if it was my daughter I would probably beat his ass so bad none of this would matter. Second, I would have had her go to the cops as soon as I found out.

Would I believe that a fair impatial decison would be made....probably. This is a serious allegation and anyone should be able to make an impartial decision based on the facts. If a UF football coach was the arbiter then that is probably drawing the line, but somebody who has season tickets and who has been trained for this...yes they should be inpartial. Also, the other options were faculty or a student committee. I saw that she chose this option. I personally think I would have chosen the faculty or student committee, but I am not for sure.


If that was your son would you feel this was impartial at all up to this point if he did nothing wrong. The whole system is messed up imo. I could give my true opinion of this system, but that should be left for another time.

 

[Gatorphan]

Did the girl and her attorney just find out who the arbitrator would be yesterday, or have they known this for some time? Seems to me it has to be the latter, so why wait to the day of the hearing to voice this concern?

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Would an arbitrator who had majored in women's studies and never attended a football game in her life have been a wiser choice? Based upon the reaction of most people on this board I think they would have thrown the book at these guys if the evidence pointed toward guilt. Truism: Lawyers lie most of the time. Lawyers who are also politicians: all the time.

If you read the rest of my post you know that I carefully refrained from blaming either Callaway or his accuser. Work on your reading skills and find a post to quote that conforms to your bias.

 

[Ray Finkle]

If that was your daughter would you feel like you got an impartial arbiter? Yes or no?

Right now to me it sounds like her daddy needs to have the don't be a hoe talk with her. Either that or her momma's a hoe and raised her to use what her momma gave her to her advantage. So to answer your question: no, it doesn't matter who oversees the process. Cause she's a money grabbin hoe. Her attorney is a hoe too, fwiw.

 

[NVGator]

Did the girl and her attorney just find out who the arbitrator would be yesterday, or have they known this for some time? Seems to me it has to be the latter, so why wait to the day of the hearing to voice this concern?

Well... that's an easy answer regardless of this case. If you were giving an ultimatum like, "I'm not going to show for the hearing if XXX guy is used" then you'd wait till the last minute. I'm sure it was a tactic planned out with her council but not that hard to believe.

 

[crosscreekcooter]

Good God you buffoons are easily worked up. Mac didn't even make him change his number, how bad could it be?

So you out on work release?

 

[Ray Finkle]

So you out on work release?

I told the court my family was dependant on my income from moderating here. They took the bait and we made a deal.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy in Cell Block C

 

[T REX]

First, if it was my daughter I would probably beat his ass so bad none of this would matter. Second, I would have had her go to the cops as soon as I found out.

Would I believe that a fair impatial decison would be made....probably. This is a serious allegation and anyone should be able to make an impartial decision based on the facts. If a UF football coach was the arbiter then that is probably drawing the line, but somebody who has season tickets and who has been trained for this...yes they should be inpartial. Also, the other options were faculty or a student committee. I saw that she chose this option. I personally think I would have chosen the faculty or student committee, but I am not for sure.


If that was your son would you feel this was impartial at all up to this point if he did nothing wrong. The whole system is messed up imo. I could give my true opinion of this system, but that should be left for another time.

I've gone on record about the lack of due process for AC. I'm not defending the girl. I have no idea what happened. My issue is the choice of arbiter. It has the appearance of bias so I think you are full of crap in your rant.

Edit: You never answered yes or no. Pretty sad.

 

[Ray Finkle]

A dislike Rex? You know what that makes you?

 

[LeeForThree]

I've gone on record about the lack of due process for AC. I'm not defending the girl. I have no idea what happened. My issue is the choice of arbiter. It has the appearance of bias so I think you are full of crap in your rant.

Edit: You never answered yes or no. Pretty sad.

Yes, I think it would be impartial

 

[Gatordiddy]

A dislike Rex? You know what that makes you?

Dislike-osaurus Rex?