Winston Code of Conduct hearing - UPDATE - cleared of ALL charges

[Jenny On The Railroad]

Potential bad news on this question - however it makes perfect sense as to why this hearing is even happening.- I have read, but don't know if it is accurate, that regardless of the panel's decision and the recommendation that Harding suggests ( yes suggests) if ruled guilty, that (ta-da!) the president of FSU has the final say on what sanctions,is given, if any. I have also seen speculation that it is a dean that decides on the sanction after recommendation..

I think the panel usually would include dean, maybe president,( seems like their were 3 school administrators plus student reps) and they recused themselves and set up this "outside" panel so it would remove suspicion of favoritism. Harding seems to have an ethical reputation among attorneys and people who have met him ( take that for whatever it's worth) I think FSU hopes his rep witl cover their decision.

Oh, and when Cornwell was whining about no time for client to prepare, there was an article that said the details of the hearing were to be secret. I don't know if that is accurate either, but it is a hearing involving accusations about and by students ( ex student), so that might be true. If so, we may never know what the victim said, what sanction was recommended, and maybe not even their decision on guilt.

My conclusion has become, this is merely to extremely belatedly give the appearance of satisfying a Title IX requirement and the appearance of an attempt at impartiality,( this we all knew) while maintaining control of the outtcome. As has been mentioned, since winston will be gone, the function of doing this ( besides trying to appease title IX and improve the public perception of FSU a bit) would be to suggest winston is innocent and suggest the victim's story is a lie or weak, found so by an ethical judge, in order to sway public opinion, assist crab boy's NFL draft chances, and give weight to winston's arguments in a civil case ( also potentially affect juror opinion prior),

 

[AlexDaGator]

This "court" only has jurisdiction over students. If Winston withdraws from school 5 minutes after his last football game, the whole thing is moot.

Alex.

 

[TallyGator]

On the local news tonight, WCTV revealed an investigation showing the number of sexual assault hearings that have been held over the past couple of years...29 was the number I believe I saw. More importantly than that, local attorney Tim Jansen, who has represented numerous students accused, stated on camera that everyone accused of sexual misconduct is supposed to receive a notice that all extracurricular activities are suspended until resolution of the case. 120 such notices have been handed out over the past 3 years. When the accusation was "officially" announced against Winston in August, procedures state that he should have been suspended for any activities other than being allowed to go to class until the case is resolved. Jansen stated that Winston did not get a notice.

I will try to link the story so that I can fact check myself...but Title IX investigators are going to hate this and the NCAA will now be forced to not ignore it. Lack of institutional control...they are going to find others not properly notified, particularly football players.

 

[GatorJ]

A burning cesspool

 

[Jenny On The Railroad]

thanks for the info. Just notified clune's office in case they want to get a clip of jansen saying that.or use the info in any way. ( yes, I know they have the rule already- but video would play well to a jury- or media..

 

[Gatorhunter]

[video]https://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Statement-by-Jameis-Winston-Regarding-Sexual-Assault-Allegations-284797901.html?device=phone&c=y[/video]

I think this is it.

 

[Ray Finkle]

From the article.. "He says typically with any sexual offense, violent crime or drug dealing accusation, FSU gives the student what's called an interim disciplinary action or IDA before the conduct hearing takes place."
Didn't their starting rb beat his girlfriend and play in a role in a drug deal gone wrong?

 

[NoGaGator]

As soon as the criminoles season is over - either after the Oregon game or the NC - the Rapeis is gone from FSU.

 

[GatorJ]

Just pull the federal funding and let the school die.

 

[MJMGator]

From the article.. "He says typically with any sexual offense, violent crime or drug dealing accusation, FSU gives the student what's called an interim disciplinary action or IDA before the conduct hearing takes place."
Didn't their starting rb beat his girlfriend and play in a role in a drug deal gone wrong?

Cmon man. Didn't you hear Jimbo? Youthful ignorance.

 

[Gatorhunter]

From the article.. "He says typically with any sexual offense, violent crime or drug dealing accusation, FSU gives the student what's called an interim disciplinary action or IDA before the conduct hearing takes place."

This is basically what we did with Treon. How an institution with even a speck of credibility should act.

 

[BoomTown]

This "court" only has jurisdiction over students. If Winston withdraws from school 5 minutes after his last football game, the whole thing is moot.

Alex.

Exactly. What sanctions can this court impose any way at this point even if he sticks around for a few months? They can't take away his degree. Even if they toss him out of school, it's irrelevant at this point. What they've done is so transparent, the whole thing is a joke/facade.

 

[TallyGator]

While it is entirely possible, if not probable, that Winston walks from the Code of Conduct result, his case has brought to light a systemic lack of institutional control in regards to how certain students (athletes) are treated in relation to the student population as a whole. There is already a ton of evidence that Title IX procedures were not followed, that school policies were not followed, and that the TPD and FSU Police have been complicit in many cases.

So, while we may lament that Winston does not get suspended in time for the upcoming game(s), I believe that there is too much public information available for the Title IX investigators and the NCAA to ignore. Of course, I could be totally wrong. But...

The campus crisis center said publicly that they cannot help a victim unless they are notified of incidents (the director did not have to make a public statement).
Tim Jansen essentially admits that Winston was treated differently than others accused of similar actions (throwing him under the bus?).
We already know about the girlfriend beater...did he get an IDA?
Who else have they been covering for, and how many other victims have not stepped forward due to intimidation?

I know the thought of pulling federal funding seems like a longshot, but it is possible. And the NCAA whacked Penn State pretty good...why not FSU?

My gut feeling is that this isn't over by a longshot...

 

[GatorTAG]

 

[ReelGatorDoc]

That is pretty lame for Winston to just read a "lawyer" prepared statement addressing all of the legal points with the right "lawyer speak", and
sign off on it as if he wrote it. Just making a further mockery of the judicial system involved in this situation. There is no depth to how low these
guys will go to act as if nothing is out of line. I'm rooting for her attorney and the Title IX group to get a straight answer. I guarantee, FSu doesn't
want to know the answer to these questions.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

It's hard to win a hearing when you don't bother to present evidence in the hearing.

 

[MJMGator]

It's hard to win a hearing when you don't bother to present evidence in the hearing.

He read a prepared statement and has Jimbo to vouch for him. What more evidence does he need?

 

[TheDouglas78]

While it is entirely possible, if not probable, that Winston walks from the Code of Conduct result, his case has brought to light a systemic lack of institutional control in regards to how certain students (athletes) are treated in relation to the student population as a whole. There is already a ton of evidence that Title IX procedures were not followed, that school policies were not followed, and that the TPD and FSU Police have been complicit in many cases.

So, while we may lament that Winston does not get suspended in time for the upcoming game(s), I believe that there is too much public information available for the Title IX investigators and the NCAA to ignore. Of course, I could be totally wrong. But...

The campus crisis center said publicly that they cannot help a victim unless they are notified of incidents (the director did not have to make a public statement).
Tim Jansen essentially admits that Winston was treated differently than others accused of similar actions (throwing him under the bus?).
We already know about the girlfriend beater...did he get an IDA?
Who else have they been covering for, and how many other victims have not stepped forward due to intimidation?

I know the thought of pulling federal funding seems like a longshot, but it is possible. And the NCAA whacked Penn State pretty good...why not FSU?

My gut feeling is that this isn't over by a longshot...

Don't forget the starting corner who was in a hit and run accident earlier in the year with a suspended lincense who only got a ticket.

 

[NavetG8r]

When the title IX investigation is all said and done, I'm not sure there will be an FSU anymore.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Don't forget the starting corner who was in a hit and run accident earlier in the year with a suspended lincense who only got a ticket.

The guy whos car he demolished was interviewed and said it was very apparent that he ran b/c both he and his buddy in the car (the other starting fsu CB) were both drunk and reaked of alcohol. Might as well mention that part as well...