HS hoops player sucker-punches opposing player (twice!) in handshake line after game

[Detroitgator]

You have to start it before you can end it, though. It comes down to whether you want to fight somebody, and be able to say with pride afterward that you beat the guy's ass in a fight, or whether you just want to hit and run, which is nothing to brag about later.

I'm not worried about words like these. They'll get you killed, or you're ass kicked.

I remember my first "required" fight when moving to Dearborn from Detroit, and the Dearborn kid that squared up on me and called me a "****** lover" for the mere fact that I came from Detroit. He "put his dukes up" and wanted to do that weird thing where two dudes want to use the most delicate bones in their body against a hard skull. I went straight for soft tissue, then sat on top of him and pummeled him. I got called a fag for fighting like that. Whatever.

 

[MidwestChomp]

Love the head lock and take down by the guys teammate. That was really nice.

And i'm glad the dude from Nebraska on the scooter didn't start throwing that around

 

[G. Gordon Gator]

He didn’t run.

Fair point. But he hit the guy twice in rapid succession, with the second one being a knockout blow to the jaw. The dude never saw it coming and had no time to react or put his hands up, not even after the first punch. Like I said, that is not a fight, it's just an attack on an unsuspecting victim.

AGAIN THOUGH, the caveat is that if #4 straight up told the guy during the game that he was going to beat his ass afterward, then that's a different story.

 

[MJMGator]

Bottom line is he wanted to fuch the guy up and he did just that. Kudos IMO.

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

some bullschit Queenesbury Rules notion of fighting

I was actually looking for a clip from the adventures of bullwhip griffin where he says "You simply must observe the Marquess of Queensberry rules" to respond to bait's post about there not being a rulebook.

Sadly there aren't many gifs from 60s movies.

 

[G. Gordon Gator]

I'm not worried about words like these. They'll get you killed, or you're ass kicked.

I remember my first "required" fight when moving to Dearborn from Detroit, and the Dearborn kid that squared up on me and called me a "****** lover" for the mere fact that I came from Detroit. He "put his dukes up" and wanted to do that weird thing where two dudes want to use the most delicate bones in their body against a hard skull. I went straight for soft tissue, then sat on top of him and pummeled him. I got called a fag for fighting like that. Whatever.

I don't understand why you are comparing the situation you described to the incident we're talking about here. Once two guys square off to fight, it doesn't matter who throws the first punch. These guys never squared off.

 

[Detroitgator]

I don't understand why you are comparing the situation you described to the incident we're talking about here.

Yeah, I meant to clarify that... gave you a like on your last post about that specific situation. My comments are about fighting, and no, I don't think you have to wait until words become actions. You make a choice. Either you remove yourself from the situation (again, i don't give a fuk about words like "pride"), or you get done what must be done, if it must be done... I'm not going to do a silly assed animal kingdom baboon thing where we both posture and make noise, i'm going to get it done. That said, in one of the last fights I had (and I've mentioned this before), I actually did have to wait for a Ukrainian guy to hit me first, so yes, I baited him into that, but it was a unique situation where this fight had to happen, and I could not under any circumstances hit first... and my god does that sound dumb!

 

[t-gator]

I've been on both ends of these kinda situations, all I can say is I've never seen a rule book for fighting. Whether it's in a football locker room, parking lot or bar the one who lands the first shot wins 90+% of the time. The kid was looking straight at him when he was attacked, should of been paying better attention.

Like my grandmomma told me don't every let somebody hit you first. There ain't no fair in fighting.

 

[G. Gordon Gator]

I'm not worried about words like these. They'll get you killed, or you're ass kicked.

I remember my first "required" fight when moving to Dearborn from Detroit, and the Dearborn kid that squared up on me and called me a "****** lover" for the mere fact that I came from Detroit. He "put his dukes up" and wanted to do that weird thing where two dudes want to use the most delicate bones in their body against a hard skull. I went straight for soft tissue, then sat on top of him and pummeled him. I got called a fag for fighting like that. Whatever.

By the way I edited the post you responded to before you finished your reply, in anticipation of you, specifically, saying that it's not about, "street cred." :D Which you're right, it's not. But there is such a thing as self-respect.

 

[t-gator]

Fair point. But he hit the guy twice in rapid succession, with the second one being a knockout blow to the jaw. The dude never saw it coming and had no time to react or put his hands up, not even after the first punch. Like I said, that is not a fight, it's just an attack on an unsuspecting victim.

AGAIN THOUGH, the caveat is that if #4 straight up told the guy during the game that he was going to beat his ass afterward, then that's a different story.

Why in the world would he tell a dude especially a bigger dude he was gonna beat his ass after the game? I mean it's classless to this in the handshake line and I'd be ashamed if my kid did that. But let's not pretend like there's some honor in fighting some other dude.

 

[Bait'n Gator]

I am going to assume that you are kidding since I never perceived you as a thug.

There may not be a rule book for fighting but I am pretty sure that one of the basic requirements for fighting is that two people know that fighting is what they are doing.

I didn't say I used to go around playing the "knock out" game like you see pieces of shyt doing today. I said I learnt a long time ago there's no rule book, just win. If the tall kid was talking shyt and instigated it then it's his bad for not being prepared to back it up. I don't know what happened but I doubt very seriously the short fucher just randomly decided to punch someone much bigger than him while shaking hands.

Since we're telling sucker punch stories here's one of my better ones. I was visiting a group of my high school friends in Athens one weekend, they all went to school there like a$$holes. Late one night downtown in one of the bars our group got into it with another group of shyt heads and one of them only had 1 arm. It was a nub right around the elbow.

One of my friends got punched and I went to the guy that hit him but 2 bouncers caught me on the way and bear hugged my ass. As they were dragging me toward the exit with both my arms pinned behind my back the one armed mother fucher ran up to me and punched me in the mouth. Took a long time for my buddies to let me live that one down.

 

[G. Gordon Gator]

Why in the world would he tell a dude especially a bigger dude he was gonna beat his ass after the game? I mean it's classless to this in the handshake line and I'd be ashamed if my kid did that. But let's not pretend like there's some honor in fighting some other dude.

"Let's not pretend like there's some honor in fighting some other dude"? o_O Did you mean to write that???

 

[G. Gordon Gator]

I am going to assume that you are kidding since I never perceived you as a thug.

There may not be a rule book for fighting but I am pretty sure that one of the basic requirements for fighting is that two people know that fighting is what they are doing.

 

[Detroitgator]

By the way I edited the post you responded to before you finished your reply, in anticipation of you, specifically, saying that it's not about, "street cred." :D Which you're right, it's not. But there is such a thing as self-respect.

I get what you are saying, but that is completely an individual thing based on that individual's life experiences... and ego. It's not necessary to survival or winning a fight. In the case of this bb thing, I'm with you a 100% (including your "i'm going to kick your ass after the game" caveat). Inn terms of "fighting" in general, it's all individually based. My Ukrainian example is a hybrid. It was an ass kicking that needed to happen, PERIOD, because in that world, credibility (in many ways) had to be established. So I do have my own caveats/rules, but i think the "man up" thing is a joke, especially in this day an age. 99.99% of the time, "remove yourself from the situation," even if you look like a giant pussy, is my right answer.

 

[t-gator]

"Let's not pretend like there's some honor in fighting some other dude"? o_O Did you mean to write that???

Lol I meant word it differently for sure

 

[rogdochar]

It was in the good sportsmanship handshake line.
Obviously, #4 got outplayed by his target in the play of a game with rules & referees seeing that no fouling is egregious or repeated.
There have been cases where parents from both sides have precipitated dangerous assaults over a game, even a shooting or two.

 

[oxrageous]

I've been on both ends of these kinda situations, all I can say is I've never seen a rule book for fighting. Whether it's in a football locker room, parking lot or bar the one who lands the first shot wins 90+% of the time. The kid was looking straight at him when he was attacked, should of been paying better attention.

I'm stunned at this post and even more stunned it got five likes. Holy crap.

I've never known a single male in my life, either as a child, teenager, or adult, who thinks sucker punches (which is exactly what these were) are anything but a b!tch move. It was the friggin' handshake line.

This was only done this way for one damn reason, and that's because the turd who threw those cowardly punches knew he couldn't beat the guy in a fair fight. Period.

 

[Bait'n Gator]

Like my grandmomma told me don't every let somebody hit you first. There ain't no fair in fighting.

Am I the only one who thought it was funny T-gator was on here admitting he learned how to fight from his grand mother?

 

[Bait'n Gator]

I'm stunned at this post and even more stunned it got five likes. Holy crap.

I've never known a single male in my life, either as a child, teenager, or adult, who thinks sucker punches (which is exactly what these were) are anything but a b!tch move. It was the friggin' handshake line.

This was only done this way for one damn reason, and that's because the turd who threw those cowardly punches knew he couldn't beat the guy in a fair fight. Period.

I classify a sucker punch as someone punching me while I'm not looking without me provoking them in any way. If I have a confrontation with someone and 30 minutes later he hits me that's on me, I should have been paying better attention. What those a$$holes call the "knock out game" now that's 100% a sucker punch and they should be shot on site.

If I talk shyt to someone in a basketball game and afterwards he punches me while I'm looking directly at him, I wouldn't call that a sucker punch. I'd say he's a piece of shyt but I wouldn't call that a "sucker punch". If he hit the kid from behind or when he couldn't see him that's different. But I'm willing to bet he talked shyt to the little guy and never expected smaller kid to call his bluff. It was a good lesson for him, I bet he pays closer attention from now on.

 

[oxrageous]

I classify a sucker punch as someone punching me while I'm not looking without me provoking them in any way. If I have a confrontation with someone and 30 minutes later he hits me that's on me, I should have been paying better attention. What those a$$holes call the "knock out game" now that's 100% a sucker punch and they should be shot on site.

If I talk shyt to someone in a basketball game and afterwards he punches me while I'm looking directly at him, I wouldn't call that a sucker punch. I'd say he's a piece of shyt but I wouldn't call that a "sucker punch". If he hit the kid from behind or when he couldn't see him that's different. But I'm willing to bet he talked shyt to the little guy and never expected smaller kid to call his bluff. It was a good lesson for him, I bet he pays closer attention from now on.

If you hit someone who isn't fighting and hence isn't prepared, that's a sucker punch. Front or behind. Hell, the kid he decked would have shaken his hand, because that's what you do in the handshake line. You can't sit here and tell me he should have reasonably believed he could be knocked out in this situation. Has anyone else ever heard of a fight in the handshake line at any level?

We also don't know the circumstance of what was said or not said during the game. For all we know, the little weasel who threw the punch is one who also started the sh!t talk on the court.