Recruiting 2023 Recruiting Thread: 4* OT Caden Jones completes the class

[Theologator]

College football might very well be dead…no way more than 10 teams can keep up with stuff like this.

I don’t believe it. That’s ridiculous. I’m sure Snell is reporting what he was told but it’s crazy. There is no way an unproven HS kid is worth that much. The whole UAA total revenue last year (2020-2021) was $138m. What do you say to AR?

No way.

 

[oxrageous]

We’ve been bitching for years about coaching contracts, now player deals will get out of control.

 

[soflagator]

This isn't sustainable. There's gonna have to be some new form of government or some schools are gonna have to break away from ncaa and forma new league. Where rules get enforced. Not saying players can't get paid but we've got to remove douche bags like ruiz, money hungry family members and shady lawyers etc out of the equation. Atleast when it comes to dictating where players go.

You can’t. Because all those things you deem so evil are part of the deal where and when money officially changes hands. It’s why so many of us hated the idea of it coming to this point. I get that college football wasn’t “pure” before, which was the common argument. But this is a nightmare that anyone with any intelligence could’ve predicted.

 

[soflagator]

@soflagator you make fair points, but I don't think NIL had took off yet to the extent to where it is now. It was in the works, but I don't think it was something that Napier or our administration put a large percentage of thought into.

As far as the deal is concerned, remember, we are playing by the rules. Maybe our deal was heavily encentived based over 3 to 4 years where as Miami might give him a large portion up front for signing and some guranteed cash under the table as "fun money" that doesn't count towards his 9.5 million. This is a total guess on my part but if you turn down the extra $2 mil, there has to be perks that come with the Miami deal that didn't with ours. Miami could have also decided to just give some handouts to the family where Florida decided they wouldn't.

NIL was absolutely a consideration with BN. He talked about it in his initial press conference. We have an entire portion of the staff, his staff, dedicated to it.

 

[Saulgoodman]

If any conference will break away from the NCAA and provide their own rules and regulations concerning NIL, it will be the SEC leading the charge and everyone else will follow.

 

[Theologator]

We’ve been bitching for years about coaching contracts, now player deals will get out of control.

90% of athletic departments lose money and get sustained by fees etc. Now, suddenly, boosters are willing to far exceed their prior contributions to pay players directly? Irrational. Dumb. Unsustainable.

 

[t-gator]

You can’t. Because all those things you deem so evil are part of the deal where and when money officially changes hands. It’s why so many of us hated the idea of it coming to this point. I get that college football wasn’t “pure” before, which was the common argument. But this is a nightmare that anyone with any intelligence could’ve predicted.

The only way to do it is to shrink it down to a number of teams that can be policed. We don't need 120 teams and all the shcitty little conferences. Shrink it down to power 5 schools only and do revenue sharing. And actually enforce the rules you put in place. There's probably enough tv money alone for every player in the SEC to have a 6 figure salary. Each conference has its pay scale based on there revenue and every player in that conference gets the same salary. No endorsements, no crooked uncles and lawyers with their hands out.

 

[neteng]

I know it’s going to sound like I’m bashing you here, but I’m really not. I’d just rather be eaten by a badger than continue this arm of our many conversations.

I can agree on your last statement.

I know its going to sound like Im telling you eat a bag of d!cks, but Im really not...so go eat a bag of d!cks.

 

[t-gator]

Rumors floating around that we didn't have enough of a "take it or leave it attitude " . Also a couple of recruits have said that the collective is unorganized.

 

[Saulgoodman]

NIL was absolutely a consideration with BN. He talked about it in his initial press conference. We have an entire portion of the staff, his staff, dedicated to it.

Well then I was wrong. Just don't remember money being thrown around and talked about as much for each recruit like it is being done now. Only player I remember losing out on because of money was Perkins, which I think it was mainly due to the uncle and non existent dad.

I think Billy thought of NIL, but didn't know it was going to require the amount of funds it seems to have reached for top recruits.

 

[soflagator]

The only way to do it is to shrink it down to a number of teams that can be policed. We don't need 120 teams and all the shcitty little conferences. Shrink it down to power 5 schools only and do revenue sharing. And actually enforce the rules you put in place. There's probably enough tv money alone for every player in the SEC to have a 6 figure salary. Each conference has its pay scale based on there revenue and every player in that conference gets the same salary. No endorsements, no crooked uncles and lawyers with their hands out.

I hear you man, but it’s not possible. Maybe if they had made it a collective for the players in the form of an equally split trust able to be tapped into after graduation, it may have worked. But even then, there were always going to be ways of explaining this. Just look at the first official NIL deal that was the Miami gym owner. It took him like three days to completely have the entire process scratching their heads and saying, “I guess we hadn’t considered this”. You can’t kind of pay players. That doesn’t work. There really is no middle ground.

 

[soflagator]

I know its going to sound like Im telling you eat a bag of d!cks, but Im really not...so go eat a bag of d!cks.

Sure. Unfortunately, I was just eaten by a badger and will be unable to.

 

[t-gator]

If any conference will break away from the NCAA and provide their own rules and regulations concerning NIL, it will be the SEC leading the charge and everyone else will follow.

If schools start breaking away from the NCAA the fans will follow. The boosters will follow. The money will follow. The the truth is , the fans and the boosters will follow the schools anywhere. I'm gonna watch the Gators no matter what conference they're in. If they decide to drop down to naia I'm gonna watch. Sooner or later administers should realize they don't have to put up with this shcit. This doesn't have to be aau basketball.

 

[neteng]

Sure. Unfortunately, I was just eaten by a badger and will be unable to.

Lemme guess...Napiers fault too. Im only saying it because I know you never will but will.

 

[soflagator]

If schools start breaking away from the NCAA the fans will follow. The boosters will follow. The money will follow. The the truth is , the fans and the boosters will follow the schools anywhere. I'm gonna watch the Gators no matter what conference they're in. If they decide to drop down to naia I'm gonna watch. Sooner or later administers should realize they don't have to put up with this shcit. This doesn't have to be aau basketball.

The NCAA is down to one office next to a Petsmart on archer Road. They are completely meaningless at this point. The problem is what you just described is essentially just another form of what we’re seeing now. No one wants to hear this, but the NCAA was the Saddam of college athletics. Ideal? No. Corrupt? Certainly. But it kept things in check and didn’t allow the fragmentation that would inevitably kill college football.

 

[neteng]

I don’t believe it. That’s ridiculous. I’m sure Snell is reporting what he was told but it’s crazy. There is no way an unproven HS kid is worth that much. The whole UAA total revenue last year (2020-2021) was $138m. What do you say to AR?

No way.

That is just Snell retweeting a tweet from On3, which apparently they are saying it is confirmed with multiple sources. That Que guy said scUM offered 10 mil a few days ago so it is sounding pretty much like that is what happened.

Ruiz is going to be broke.

 

[soflagator]

Lemme guess...Napiers fault too. Im only saying it because I know you never will but will.

It was a self ordered badger suicide. I thought I was fairly descriptive about it above.

 

[t-gator]

I hear you man, but it’s not possible. Maybe if they had made it a collective for the players in the form of an equally split trust able to be tapped into after graduation, it may have worked. But even then, there were always going to be ways of explaining this. Just look at the first official NIL deal that was the Miami gym owner. It took him like three days to completely have the entire process scratching their heads and saying, “I guess we hadn’t considered this”. You can’t kind of pay players. That doesn’t work. There really is no middle ground.

I don't think I quite understand. How is giving an 18 year old a 6 figure salary "kind of paying "? I mean yeah I'm sure it's kinda like cheating on your taxes. But there would just have to be harsh penalties for the students and schools involved. You know like I said, Enforce the rules. In this new dream conference lol , there's not hundreds of schools to monitor. There's only 50 or so. Obviously it'll never happen. I think it could be done though.

 

[soflagator]

I don't think I quite understand. How is giving an 18 year old a 6 figure salary "kind of paying "? I mean yeah I'm sure it's kinda like cheating on your taxes. But there would just have to be harsh penalties for the students and schools involved. You know like I said, Enforce the rules. In this new dream conference lol , there's not hundreds of schools to monitor. There's only 50 or so. Obviously it'll never happen. I think it could be done though.

What I’m saying is once you agree to any of this, it’s completely out of control. In many respects, it’s basic capitalism, which I am for. But there is no way to kind of pay players, or regulate it. There will always be loopholes in ways around it. That’s just the way it will be. You could devise a salary cap and enforce that, but then you’re basically just watching a younger version of the NFL.

 

[neteng]