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Fans want coaches fired after their first loss. That's what makes them fans.

I would agree it's unlikely that Napier develops in a title-winning coach. However, we would have laughed our asses off if someone told us a couple of years ago that FSU would be where they are under NorveLLLL. The fans were just about to drag him out of his house and beat his ass in the street. They were a DISASTER, even cancelling games to duck opponents. Recruiting was mediocre at best.

Are you going to tell me the people at the top at FSU should have fired him two years ago? Did cooler heads prevail in that scenario?
were they bad b/c they had nobody that could play, or were they bad b/c the coaching staff were blithering idiots that kept making horrific decisions and refusing to do even the most obvious and basic things like actually employ an ST coach, ensure 11 players on the field for each snap, not call timeouts when the opponent was trying to score and the clock was nearing zero? i think that's the real issue here and why nobody sees any similarities.
 

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were they bad b/c they had nobody that could play, or were they bad b/c the coaching staff were blithering idiots that kept making horrific decisions and refusing to do even the most obvious and basic things like actually employ an ST coach, ensure 11 players on the field for each snap, not call timeouts when the opponent was trying to score and the clock was nearing zero? i think that's the real issue here and why nobody sees any similarities.
What he said.
 

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And when he gets an OC, then what?
I would advocate for Billy not getting an OC. Seriously if he has a process, he should stick to his process. His process does not include an OC.

I don't think he should be "forced" to hire an OC. Because the only purpose that would serve is to have a scape goat/fall guy.

A few other concerns are, his previous quality of hires for other positions (AA), I believe Billy has never had an OC (could be wrong) so he would literally be making his first OC hire ever, his history of being insubordinate as an OC may bias his approach to hiring an OC, his ability to fully trust an OC.

He may even bring on his brothers and have Stricklin give them free money too
 

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Fans want coaches fired after their first loss. That's what makes them fans.

I would agree it's unlikely that Napier develops in a title-winning coach. However, we would have laughed our asses off if someone told us a couple of years ago that FSU would be where they are under NorveLLLL. The fans were just about to drag him out of his house and beat his ass in the street. They were a DISASTER, even cancelling games to duck opponents. Recruiting was mediocre at best.

Are you going to tell me the people at the top at FSU should have fired him two years ago? Did cooler heads prevail in that scenario?


Although I agree with you, the FSU situation was not similar.
I wouldn’t say cooler heads prevailed as much as broke heads got lucky. FSU stayed with Norvell because they couldn’t afford to fire him not because of long term vision or patience.
 

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Fans want coaches fired after their first loss. That's what makes them fans.

I would agree it's unlikely that Napier develops in a title-winning coach. However, we would have laughed our asses off if someone told us a couple of years ago that FSU would be where they are under NorveLLLL. The fans were just about to drag him out of his house and beat his ass in the street. They were a DISASTER, even cancelling games to duck opponents. Recruiting was mediocre at best.

Are you going to tell me the people at the top at FSU should have fired him two years ago? Did cooler heads prevail in that scenario?
The logic to keep him is impeccable, but the heart says fire his ass.
 

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Here's a big difference between Napier and Norvell. We all seen Norvell coach at Memphis and alot of us were all about us hiring him. It was obvious his offense would translate, heck it already had. He was really good OC for a defense coach for a pretty good while. On the other hand, when we watched ull a few years ago, we all cringed and had pretty good feeling it wouldn't translate to the higher level of comp.
 

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Urban for one. But I'm not against taking a chance on another up and comer. But your question should not be the reason that we do nothing.
If your firing today it's because you expect the fix to be tomorrow. Urban would be the only sure bet IMO. Taking a chance on "another" up and comer is what we just did with BN and AA.
 

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Here's a big difference between Napier and NorveLLLL. We all seen NorveLLLL coach at Memphis and alot of us were all about us hiring him. It was obvious his offense would translate, heck it already had. He was really good OC for a defense coach for a pretty good while. On the other hand, when we watched ull a few years ago, we all cringed and had pretty good feeling it wouldn't translate to the higher level of comp.
This right here. When Urban was hired, we were all worried that his style of offense would not work in the SEC. It worked only because Urbs went out and got the best dang players ever assembled at UF. Without Percy, Tebow and the Pouncey Twins, it likely wouldn't have worked.

Napier never showed that his offenses are dominant in any way, shape, or form. He's just a folksy football coach with platitudes and little track record of producing great offenses. Without a stellar defense and a stacked roster, Napier's style of play isn't winning dick.
 

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If your firing today it's because you expect the fix to be tomorrow. Urban would be the only sure bet IMO. Taking a chance on "another" up and comer is what we just did with BN and AA.
Agreed. If we have Urban in the wings waiting to pounce at the opportunity, then yes, fire his ass and bring in the big guns. Would also accept any other super big-time brand name coach that expressed interest. I don't think Napier can do anything except stack the roster and inspire some hope for the future. Who knows though, maybe he'll get lucky with his OC pick.
 
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Florida's roller coaster of a season might have bottomed out. The Gators have lost three straight, allowing at least 39 points in all three contests, and sit at 5-5 with the possibility of a third straight sub-.500 record staring them straight in the face. That simply can't happen to second-year coach Billy Napier. This is a program that used to be a national title contender every year. Now it's an irrelevant has-been that routinely gets run over even by mediocre opponents.

It's firing season in the SEC; Texas A&M's Jimbo Fisher and Mississippi State Zach Arnett have already received their pink slips. Napier was asked about the kind of pressure that led to those two dismissals on Monday.

"It comes with the territory," he said. "We all have a job to do, and ultimately I think you view it as a challenge, you view it as an opportunity. Look, these are well-thought-out decisions. You don't just flip a coin to decide to be the head coach of the Florida Gators. For me, you go into it with a strategy and a plan. You adapt. You evolve. You adjust. And we're in the middle of our process, right? It's been happening a long time that way."


He's right. It does come with the territory. However, the Gators are 11.5-point underdogs at Missouri on Saturday night and will likely be massive underdogs again next week against rival Florida State. If Napier can't give the administration something to be excited about in one of the next two matchups, he could find himself next in line behind Fisher and Arnett either this winter or early next fall.

 

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If your firing today it's because you expect the fix to be tomorrow. Urban would be the only sure bet IMO. Taking a chance on "another" up and comer is what we just did with BN and AA.
I agree, it is a risk. But based on 23 games, there's a 90% probability that year 3 will be a failure. It's illogical to just accept that.
 

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"It comes with the territory," he said. "We all have a job to do, and ultimately I think you view it as a challenge, you view it as an opportunity. Look, these are well-thought-out decisions. You don't just flip a coin to decide to be the head coach of the Florida Gators. For me, you go into it with a strategy and a plan. You adapt. You evolve. You adjust. And we're in the middle of our process, right? It's been happening a long time that way."
All that process talk sounded good on the front end. It's a bit stale now, especially with recruiting starting to turn against us.
 

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were they bad b/c they had nobody that could play, or were they bad b/c the coaching staff were blithering idiots that kept making horrific decisions and refusing to do even the most obvious and basic things like actually employ an ST coach, ensure 11 players on the field for each snap, not call timeouts when the opponent was trying to score and the clock was nearing zero? i think that's the real issue here and why nobody sees any similarities.
You were the third person to reply to the OP... the interwebz never forgets... :lol:

Remember the time FSU didn't have 11 on the field? I do, so should Durty.
 

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did it happen... oh i dunno, 8 or 10 games in a row?
Let me put it this way... it's REALLY hard to do a search here because there is "Norvel" "Norvell" "NorveLLL" "NorveLLLLL" but let's put it this way... I wouldn't bet money if I were you. :lol: If you just stop and think for a minute and picture in your head ANY of those FSU games you might have watched in his first two years, they were start to finish SCHIT shows, and he did have an OC, ST Coordinator....
 

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Let me put it this way... it's REALLY hard to do a search here because there is "Norvel" "NorveLLLL" "NorveLLL" "NorveLLLLL" but let's put it this way... I wouldn't bet money if I were you. :lol: If you just stop and think for a minute and picture in your head ANY of those FSU games you might have watched in his first two years, they were start to finish SCHIT shows, and he did have an OC, ST Coordinator....
so what you're saying is, we are winning 9 next year and going undefeated in 25. :grin:
 

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