Men in women's sports

[AuggieDosta]

There are some girls that are very talented. Caitlin Clark can shoot really well. But when it comes to competing against men, it doesn't matter how well you shoot the basketball when you can't get a defender off you no matter what you do.

She would never score bc she'd never be able to shoot. And I'm not talking about NBA guys either. There are highschool boys who would absolutely eat her alive. I don't know why we have to go to this hypothetical situation where we want to compare women to men. They aren't the same and this constant need to compare is just dumb. She's a great player regardless of how she'd compete against men. And that's enough.

I think you're underestimating Caitlin's ability to get a male defender off AND score.

Do better.

 

[soflagator]

Just a walk down memory lane. And just for some added context, there are girls on the bench that don’t start, and more that didn’t even make the cut when it came to earning a scholarship for this team.

 

[oxrageous]

Just a walk down memory lane. And just for some added context, there are girls on the bench that don’t start, and more that didn’t even make the cut when it came to earning a scholarship for this team.

At 0:16, WTF was the defender doing during that fast break? She actually ran away from the dribbler to the other side of the court and defended her own player!



You could write a book on this particular 22-second sequence.

 

[MJMGator]

At 0:16, WTF was the defender doing during that fast break? She actually ran away from the dribbler to the other side of the court and defended her own player!



You could write a book on this particular 22-second sequence.

This is EVERY game. I occasionally find it on TV and will watch 2-3 minutes and bust out laughing at the inability to make a layup.

 

[soflagator]

At 0:16, WTF was the defender doing during that fast break? She actually ran away from the dribbler to the other side of the court and defended her own player!



You could write a book on this particular 22-second sequence.

It’s also a nice point of reference for the whole NIL discussion. Assuming an average of 400k in education value on display(obviously Vu weighting that figure), what you’re watching is roughly 4 million dollars in absolute economic drain for these universities on display, before we even get into the cost of travel, nutrition, medical treatments, and the salaries of the coaching staffs. Cut things like that, lacrosse and soccer(Detroit will be fine) as they’re a complete waste of money and use those funds to pay the football players. After all, “it’s a business”, right?

 

[oxrageous]

It’s also a nice point of reference for the whole NIL discussion. Assuming an average of 400k in education value on display(obviously Vu weighting that figure), what you’re watching is roughly 4 million dollars in absolute economic drain for these universities on display, before we even get into the cost of travel, nutrition, medical treatments, and the salaries of the coaching staffs. Cut things like that, lacrosse and soccer(Detroit will be fine) as they’re a complete waste of money and use those funds to pay the football players. After all, “it’s a business”, right?

Yeah, this came up when UF showed their recruiting budget, which included $300,000 for recruiting female basketball players. Really?

 

[Nalt]

Clay Travis gets it. He offered up $1Million to have a high school state championship team of his choice play the WNBA champions. If the boys lost he would pay that amount to the women but if his team wins, that money would go to the boy's team. He got no takers because no one wants to admit out loud the truth.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Yeah, this came up when UF showed their recruiting budget, which included $300,000 for recruiting female basketball players. Really?

We are trying to recruit better than that!

 

[oxrageous]

Clay Travis gets it. He offered up $1Million to have a high school state championship team of his choice play the WNBA champions. If the boys lost he would pay that amount to the women but if his team wins, that money would go to the boy's team. He got no takers because no one wants to admit out loud the truth.

I think an AVERAGE high school boys basketball team could beat the WNBA champs.

 

[Back Alley Gator]

Yes, it's tennis. I didn't want @Detroitgator to feel alone in watching the ghey sports

 

[Gator By Marriage]

It’s also a nice point of reference for the whole NIL discussion. Assuming an average of 400k in education value on display(obviously Vu weighting that figure), what you’re watching is roughly 4 million dollars in absolute economic drain for these universities on display, before we even get into the cost of travel, nutrition, medical treatments, and the salaries of the coaching staffs. Cut things like that, lacrosse and soccer(Detroit will be fine) as they’re a complete waste of money and use those funds to pay the football players. After all, “it’s a business”, right?

I have a little bit of a different take. I think women’s college sports are a good thing and, of course, here to stay unless hell freezes over and Title IX is repealed. Ironically, the two sports you named are two of the more watchable - for me anyway - women’s sports. (Gymnastics, track and field, and swimming/diving are some others.) And let’s face it, more money given to football is not going to fix what’s wrong with our favorite team.

My daughter played both basketball and lacrosse as a kid. The basketball games were painful to attend; the lacrosse games on the other hand were entertaining. My neighbors across the street have two daughters who play lacrosse. The older one is pretty good - one of her HS teammates ironically is a 5* committed to UF - but the younger one (currently an 8th grader) is really talented and probably has a shot at a D1 scholly. I’ll happily attend either of their games.

What has changed is the inorganic emphasis that’s been placed on women’s sports, in particular basketball. The amount of media coverage simply does not match the level of fan interest. With that has come a push to somehow equalize NIL money. Outside of a very few NCAA women’s athletes, the average fan would have no idea who any of them are, making it a loser for a business to have them endorse their product. But somehow, the NIL money “should be shared more equitably.” Hell, the most successful female athlete, from an NIL perspective that is, is a gymnast who has never won a championship or individual medal. And it was absolutely organic.

Off topic, but this push at the college, and, in particular, the professional level, to somehow equalize the money the athletes get is only likely to increase the number of trannies (and pretend trannies) playing sports like basketball and soccer. (Of course, none of them will ever make Olivia Dunne type money!)

 

[Back Alley Gator]

This one is just funny. Boys will be boys. The girls took the joke well though.

 

[oxrageous]

I have a little bit of a different take. I think women’s college sports are a good thing and, of course, here to stay unless hell freezes over and Title IX is repealed. Ironically, the two sports you named are two of the more watchable - for me anyway - women’s sports. (Gymnastics, track and field, and swimming/diving are some others.)

Nah, wipe 'em all out, although I have to agree with your assertion that gymnastics, track & field, swimming/diving, and volleyball are definitely the ones that have the most watchability. Just not for the sport itself.

Let's face it, if the WNBA was loaded with nothing but hot, heterosexual ladies, viewership might be higher than the NBA.

 

[Gator By Marriage]

Let's face it, if the WNBA was loaded with nothing but hot, heterosexual ladies, viewership might would be higher than the NBA.

FIFY

 

[Detroitgator]

Yes, it's tennis. I didn't want @Detroitgator to feel alone in watching the ghey sports

In fairness to the wimmenz, one should focus on the serves from men OTHER than Isner... Isner is a giant, and his serve is his entire game. Almost every set he wins goes to a tie break, which relies heavily on the serve. It's the other male servers that show the "normal" amount of difference/dominance of male vs female... it's not even close. The other thing I love about Isner is that BASS PRO is his MAIN sponsor... it's hilarious in the world of tennis endorsements. The thing to hate about Isner is that he is a Dwag.

On a Gator tennis note, Shelton won the US Men's Clay Court Championship this weekend in Houston... big win.

 

[Detroitgator]

It’s also a nice point of reference for the whole NIL discussion. Assuming an average of 400k in education value on display(obviously Vu weighting that figure), what you’re watching is roughly 4 million dollars in absolute economic drain for these universities on display, before we even get into the cost of travel, nutrition, medical treatments, and the salaries of the coaching staffs. Cut things like that, lacrosse and soccer(Detroit will be fine) as they’re a complete waste of money and use those funds to pay the football players. After all, “it’s a business”, right?

Tommy?

 

[g8r.tom]

Clay Travis gets it. He offered up $1Million to have a high school state championship team of his choice play the WNBA champions. If the boys lost he would pay that amount to the women but if his team wins, that money would go to the boy's team. He got no takers because no one wants to admit out loud the truth.

Much like when the US Womens soccer team was training for the World Cup and played a team of High School boys select team. The boys won. Professional women versus boys.

 

[Detroitgator]

Much like when the US Womens soccer team was training for the World Cup and played a team of High School boys select team. The boys won. Professional women versus boys.

Not just HS, U15

 

[soflagator]

I have a little bit of a different take. I think women’s college sports are a good thing and, of course, here to stay unless hell freezes over and Title IX is repealed. Ironically, the two sports you named are two of the more watchable - for me anyway - women’s sports. (Gymnastics, track and field, and swimming/diving are some others.) And let’s face it, more money given to football is not going to fix what’s wrong with our favorite team.

My daughter played both basketball and lacrosse as a kid. The basketball games were painful to attend; the lacrosse games on the other hand were entertaining. My neighbors across the street have two daughters who play lacrosse. The older one is pretty good - one of her HS teammates ironically is a 5* committed to UF - but the younger one (currently an 8th grader) is really talented and probably has a shot at a D1 scholly. I’ll happily attend either of their games.

What has changed is the inorganic emphasis that’s been placed on women’s sports, in particular basketball. The amount of media coverage simply does not match the level of fan interest. With that has come a push to somehow equalize NIL money. Outside of a very few NCAA women’s athletes, the average fan would have no idea who any of them are, making it a loser for a business to have them endorse their product. But somehow, the NIL money “should be shared more equitably.” Hell, the most successful female athlete, from an NIL perspective that is, is a gymnast who has never won a championship or individual medal. And it was absolutely organic.

Off topic, but this push at the college, and, in particular, the professional level, to somehow equalize the money the athletes get is only likely to increase the number of trannies (and pretend trannies) playing sports like basketball and soccer. (Of course, none of them will ever make Olivia Dunne type money!)

This is very old, and third party data, but a friend of mine’s company used to work directly with the UAA, and he always claimed that gymnastics was the third highest revenue producer for them, behind football and basketball. It was a sizable step below, but respectable. Everything else, men or women’s, was in the red. So yeah, I don’t entirely disagree that there is some value in certain areas. And I totally get the perspective of a parent of daughters. But my view is that if the school and its more wealthy donors feel that strongly about those programs, let them bankroll them separately and entirely. That money shouldn’t come from sports that are actually a net producer. And yeah, I get that we’ve blown money in that area recently, but that’s a different conversation, and one in which we’re probably completely on the same page.

 

[Gator By Marriage]

This is very old, and third party data, but a friend of mine’s company used to work directly with the UAA, and he always claimed that gymnastics was the third highest revenue producer for them, behind football and basketball. It was a sizable step below, but respectable. Everything else, men or women’s, was in the red. So yeah, I don’t entirely disagree that there is some value in certain areas. And I totally get the perspective of a parent of daughters. But my view is that if the school and its more wealthy donors feel that strongly about those programs, let them bankroll them separately and entirely. That money shouldn’t come from sports that are actually a net producer. And yeah, I get that we’ve blown money in that area recently, but that’s a different conversation, and one in which we’re probably completely on the same page.

Good points all. If we were really to go with a red vs black review, there’d be very few college sports played nationally other than football and men’s basketball - and both sports would probably have a lot fewer teams.

As for what should or shouldn’t happen with regards to spending, it’s a moot discussion as long as Title IX is around.