Riley Cole - Bama LB commit

[Bama&GatorFan]

Because of the "Greyshirt", NO. Plus there's no scholarship with a "Greyshirt".

That is not how I understand it.

 

[grengadgy]

That is not how I understand it.

I'm truly sorry.

 

[ATXGator]

Looks like Dad is trying to do some damage control in case they want to stay with Bama... https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/riley-cole-dad-radio-decommit/

 

[Durty South Swamp]

That is not how I understand it.

Yes, we've all noticed you have a tough time with understanding things.

And I'm still waiting for you to admit your mistake regarding brissett being a greyshirt. He wasn't.

 

[BMF]

But don't they get an additional season at the end, so they are not missing anything?

I thought it was just a semester delay, and a grayshirt is still a full scholarship. Who said they had to pay for their first year? They cannot even go full time for that first semester. They can attend a junior college part time if they want for the first semester.

What happens is the kid is NOT on scholarship for the fall semester (basically the upcoming season...in this case, 2016 football season). So he either has to stay at home and dick around (not playing football) or he enrolls at the school....and PAYS HIS OWN WAY for the semester and has NO involvement w/ the football team/program until January, unless he's considered a walk-on for the fall semester....THEN in January, which is considered the 2017 season, he is put on scholarship and counted as part of the 2017 signing class. He's essentially an "early enrollee" at that point for the 2017 or upcoming signing class. So they are signing a 2016 HS grad to be part of the 2017 signing class (he's enrolling w/ kids who are a year behind him in HS).

The unethical part that everyone has been trying to make is that he was recruited (told he'd was part of THIS class) and he committed and has been committed for months and months - meaning he hasn't taken visits to other schools and told other schools/coaches "no thank you, I'm committed to Alabama"...and apparently, Alabama wasn't fully committed to him.

Saban takes a calculated risk by taking a player they like...but he's not at the top of their board. Then when the "studs" (4 and 5 star players) start showing interest Saban has to make room for them...and that's when he goes to the lesser rated player who is already committed and tells him to F*ck Off (i.e. "we want you to grayshirt").

By asking the kid to grayshirt Saban saves face: He "still wants" the kid...but wants him to sit out until January. So the kid, now faced w/ that decision (of missing 2 semesters of college or de-committing and looking for somewhere else to play).

Also, it's not ONE semester....it's two. Most/if not all student athletes enroll for Summer B term (they arrive in July for the second summer semester and take 2 classes). This helps them get acclimated to being on campus, workout w/ the strength coaches before fall camp starts, and take 2 classes to help them stay academically eligilble (because often they'll only take 3 classes in the fall to make the academic workload easier during football season...but they are still on pace as far as having enough college credits, having taken 2 classes in the summer B term).

It's not rocket science....and Saban has masterfully perfected the art of "f*cking over the committed 3-star".

 

[TheBigClaw]

My question is why is Saban getting bashed so hard over this while Harbaugh who pulled the offers from a couple kids were defended? I've seen some here say we'd love to be in the position to kick 3* to the curb for better players, so why are you accusing of Saban doing the same thing? Plus, I don't think it's right to accuse him of doing something when it was alleged he just "Discussed" a gray shirt.


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[Bama&GatorFan]

Yes, we've all noticed you have a tough time with understanding things.

And I'm still waiting for you to admit yourmistake regarding brissett being a greyshirt. He wasn't.

It is ok to be ignorant. I realize that there is a lot that I do not know.

But please try to not be ignorant and arrogant at the same time. You obviously do not understand what grayshirt means. Please read this article, and feel free to do some other research and you will understand it better.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...hirt-greenshirt-grayshirt-blueshirt/79603750/

And I do believe I posted a link to a reference that proves that Bissett was offered a grayshirt. Feel free to show me where I said he actually was grayshirted. You can't because I did not say that.

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

What happens is the kid is NOT on scholarship for the fall semester (basically the upcoming season...in this case, 2016 football season). So he either has to stay at home and dick around (not playing football) or he enrolls at the school....and PAYS HIS OWN WAY for the semester and has NO involvement w/ the football team/program until January, unless he's considered a walk-on for the fall semester....THEN in January, which is considered the 2017 season, he is put on scholarship and counted as part of the 2017 signing class. He's essentially an "early enrollee" at that point for the 2017 or upcoming signing class. So they are signing a 2016 HS grad to be part of the 2017 signing class (he's enrolling w/ kids who are a year behind him in HS).

The unethical part that everyone has been trying to make is that he was recruited (told he'd was part of THIS class) and he committed and has been committed for months and months - meaning he hasn't taken visits to other schools and told other schools/coaches "no thank you, I'm committed to Alabama"...and apparently, Alabama wasn't fully committed to him.

Saban takes a calculated risk by taking a player they like...but he's not at the top of their board. Then when the "studs" (4 and 5 star players) start showing interest Saban has to make room for them...and that's when he goes to the lesser rated player who is already committed and tells him to F*ck Off (i.e. "we want you to grayshirt").

By asking the kid to grayshirt Saban saves face: He "still wants" the kid...but wants him to sit out until January. So the kid, now faced w/ that decision (of missing 2 semesters of college or de-committing and looking for somewhere else to play).

Also, it's not ONE semester....it's two. Most/if not all student athletes enroll for Summer B term (they arrive in July for the second summer semester and take 2 classes). This helps them get acclimated to being on campus, workout w/ the strength coaches before fall camp starts, and take 2 classes to help them stay academically eligilble (because often they'll only take 3 classes in the fall to make the academic workload easier during football season...but they are still on pace as far as having enough college credits, having taken 2 classes in the summer B term).

It's not rocket science....and Saban has masterfully perfected the art of "f*cking over the committed 3-star".

I'm not sure that you know everything that was said or promised. We do not have the full story. If he was screwed over so badly, why isn't his father angry? The kid chose to change his mind. Happens all the time.

 

[GatorJB]

I thought it was just a semester delay, and a grayshirt is still a full scholarship. Who said they had to pay for their first year? They cannot even go full time for that first semester. They can attend a junior college part time if they want for the first semester.

You are correct in that it is just for the first semester; however, they still have to pay for that first semester and cannot be a part of the team until January. A grayshirt still delays a kid's opportunity to play college football for a year and forces him to pay for a semester of school. For some kids that isn't a problem, but the way Saban grayshirts is that he tells kids that he wants them to be on his team and that they'll have a full-ride, and then several months later he basically tells them that he doesn't want them on his team for this year but they can come next year. Reneging on his offer to be a scholarship player for this year is the problem that people have with Saban's grayshirting practice.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

It is ok to be ignorant. I realize that there is a lot that I do not know.

But please try to not be ignorant and arrogant at the same time. You obviously do not understand what grayshirt means. Please read this article, and feel free to do some other research and you will understand it better.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...hirt-greenshirt-grayshirt-blueshirt/79603750/

And I do believe I posted a link to a reference that proves that Bissett was offered a grayshirt. Feel free to show me where I said he actually was grayshirted. You can't because I did not say that.

It's quite obvious that you are the one who doesn't understand. And the topic was a kid having a committable offer, then it being rescinded late and instead being told he'll need to greyshirt. You claim Florida does that all the time, you were challenged to provide an example, you responded with "Brissett" and "that was easy". You were incorrect, I even posted an article that detailed out the exact events of brissetts recruitment while Meyer was here and then later after Muschamp arrived and they began recruiting him again. Now you want to backtrack all the way from claiming we yank scolly offers at the last minute to simply saying that if someone in the Florida program ever used the word greyshirt in a sentence, that it proves you are right.

Seriously dude, you're pathetic.


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[Bama&GatorFan]

It's quite obvious that you are the one who doesn't understand. And the topic was a kid having a committable offer, then it being rescinded late and instead being told he'll need to greyshirt. You claim Florida does that all the time, you were challenged to provide an example, you responded with "Brissett" and "that was easy". You were incorrect, I even posted an article that detailed out the exact events of brissetts recruitment while Meyer was here and then later after Muschamp arrived and they began recruiting him again. Now you want to backtrack all the way from claiming we yank scolly offers at the last minute to simply saying that if someone in the Florida program ever used the word greyshirt in a sentence, that it proves you are right.

Seriously dude, you're pathetic.


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Did you do a little reading, and do you still think that grayshirt means no scholarship? That makes no sense, really. If there were no scholarship, there would be no reason to delay entry.

Signed,

Mr. Pathetic Ignoramus

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

It's quite obvious that you are the one who doesn't understand. And the topic was a kid having a committable offer, then it being rescinded late and instead being told he'll need to greyshirt. You claim Florida does that all the time, you were challenged to provide an example, you responded with "Brissett" and "that was easy". You were incorrect, I even posted an article that detailed out the exact events of brissetts recruitment while Meyer was here and then later after Muschamp arrived and they began recruiting him again. Now you want to backtrack all the way from claiming we yank scolly offers at the last minute to simply saying that if someone in the Florida program ever used the word greyshirt in a sentence, that it proves you are right.

Seriously dude, you're pathetic.


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By the way, Brissett was not the only one. I was asked to name one.

And if you think Alabama yanked a scholarship offer from this kid, then you STILL do not understand what grayshirt even means. They simply discussed the possibility with him and he bolted.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Didnt we flush JR78 several times already?

 

[aka]

By the way, Brissett was not the only one. I was asked to name one.

And if you think Alabama yanked a scholarship offer from this kid, then you STILL do not understand what grayshirt even means. They simply discussed the possibility with him and he bolted.

Your girlfriend of 6 months says, "Ya' know, I really do like like you but I've been spending my free time cruising Match.com." Doesn't inspire much confidence, does, it?

 

[Durty South Swamp]

By the way, Brissett was not the only one. I was asked to name one.

And if you think Alabama yanked a scholarship offer from this kid, then you STILL do not understand what grayshirt even means. They simply discussed the possibility with him and he bolted.

So let's get it on record then. You are clearly stating that bama simply discussed the option and nothing more. And that in no way did they remove his scholarship offer from the table. So because that is what you believe, the following is the only possible scenario other than the kid going elsewhere: You believe that the kid could have simply said no I don't want to greyshirt and I still want to come to bama. Then the coaches would have to say ok, no problem, you've got a scholarship from us and we will anxiously await for your LOI in February. Because that is the only other possibility if his committable offer wasn't rescinded.

So let's get it on record. Please state for all of us that this is your position. We will all be waiting for your affirmation and preparing for a real good laugh.


And FYI I do know what a greyshirt is, and I know if you want to go to college you are paying your own way for a year. That is not a scholarship. There is also no guarantee that it will turn into one the following year. Offering a greyshirt is no different than a scholly for bama when it comes to guarantees. Unless you are now stating for the record that once Saban offers a greyshirt to a kid, that it is then guaranteed as well. You can publicly state your opinion on that one as well....

This should be fun...




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[Bama&GatorFan]

So let's get it on record then. You are clearly stating that bama simply discussed the option and nothing more. And that in no way did they remove his scholarship offer from the table. So because that is what you believe, the following is the only possible scenario other than the kid going elsewhere: You believe that the kid could have simply said no I don't want to greyshirt and I still want to come to bama. Then the coaches would have to say ok, no problem, you've got a scholarship from us and we will anxiously await for your LOI in February. Because that is the only other possibility if his committable offer wasn't rescinded.

So let's get it on record. Please state for all of us that this is your position. We will all be waiting for your affirmation and preparing for a real good laugh.

And FYI I do know what a greyshirt is, and I know if you want to go to college you are paying your own way for a year. That is not a scholarship. There is also no guarantee that it will turn into one the following year. Offering a greyshirt is no different than a scholly for bama when it comes to guarantees. Unless you are now stating for the record that once Saban offers a greyshirt to a kid, that it is then guaranteed as well. You can publicly state your opinion on that one as well....

This should be fun...

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O.k., first of all, we do not have the whole story. Alabama cannot comment on it yet. But here is what we do have:

Referencing this article quoting the boy's father: https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2016/02/riley_cole_nick_saban.html#incart_river_index

David Cole said. "We got the impression they were wanting to wait until after National Signing Day, see who they got, and then let Riley know if they wanted to grayshirt him."

In my book, that is not the same thing as canceling his scholarship. Even if they grayshirted him, he would still get a scholarship, by definition! So YES, I AM SAYING THEY DID NOT REMOVE HIS SCHOLARSHIP OFFER FROM THE TABLE!!!!!!! If you disagree, please show your references instead of your opinions of my intelligence.

Further, a grayshirted player is NOT "paying his own way for a year"!!! He would only be asked to delay his full-time enrollment for one semester, and then we will be on a full scholarship. There is no reduction in benefits; only a delay.

So obviously you STILL do NOT understand what a grayshirt is. No big deal; I never heard of it until a week ago. But don't act all arrogant like you know what you are talking about, because you obviously do not.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

So your position is that the full scholarship offer that was made for the 2016 school year is still on the table for him... Even though it isn't.

And if he intends to use that 2016 school year scholarship just as was offered by bama and accepted by him, he will be on scholarship during that period... Even though he will be paying his own way...

thanks for the laugh, I enjoyed it.


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[grengadgy]

Did you do a little reading, and do you still think that grayshirt means no scholarship? That makes no sense, really. If there were no scholarship, there would be no reason to delay entry.

Signed,

Mr. Pathetic Ignoramus

There is no scholarship to give because of the scholarship limit. There is a signed LOI that is to go into effect the first quarter of the next year. A kid has to pay his own way for the fall quarter and if he doesn't take enough of a load, then the 5 year clock doesn't start. If he takes enough courses to be considered a full time student then he will have 5 years to complete 4 years eligibility in college sports.

The athlete is committed to that college if the college still wants him but quite often the college will discourage the athlete. Like show him that he will never see the field and they will release him from their LOI. A greyshirt can be good for both parties but some coaches tend take advantage of it.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

In my book, that is not the same thing as canceling his scholarship. Even if they grayshirted him, he would still get a scholarship, by definition! So YES, I AM SAYING THEY DID NOT REMOVE HIS SCHOLARSHIP OFFER FROM THE TABLE!!!!!!! If you disagree, please show your references instead of your opinions of my intelligence.

Further, a grayshirted player is NOT "paying his own way for a year"!!! He would only be asked to delay his full-time enrollment for one semester, and then we will be on a full scholarship. There is no reduction in benefits; only a delay.

So obviously you STILL do NOT understand what a grayshirt is. No big deal; I never heard of it until a week ago. But don't act all arrogant like you know what you are talking about, because you obviously do not.

Save yourself the aggravation, Bama/Gator.....Some posters on this board think that if they call you stupid enough it somehow makes them right. It took me almost 6 months of schooling a dozen or so posters on here about the true definition of a Medical Redshirt, which by definition is actually a Medical Hardship Waiver.....there is no telling how long you'll bang your head trying to teach them about greyshirts.....Not worth the effort IMO.

 

[gatormandan]