OSU Saga: Meyer suspended for 3 games

[MJMGator]

McMurphy: Domestic battery in 2015 w Zach smith?

Leyer: There was nothing, I don’t know who creates a false story like that.


Now: Yeah, I misspoke. I meant to say I knew about it and reported it and Im glad you created the totally true story.

Really tough sell. I guess some people will believe anything.

My answer would be something like its a staff matter we are hear to talk about Crackbus football.

Maybe by “there was nothing” he meant the AD was made aware of it, investigated and nothing happened? I’m telling ya, he just threw a Geno under the bus.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Agree!

I don’t think they can fire him for cause because the contractual verbiage wasn’t added until his most recent extension. However the school being held liable would be reason enough to separate themselves from Meyer. It just means they may have obligations to pay him a handsome sum of money to go away. But, like you and Law said, there’s the lying to the media. That’s even worse than hitting a woman.

Wait! Lying to the media is worse than hitting women? Who knew! So the next time a female reporter asks me a question that I don't want to answer truthfully, I should just hit her?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Maybe by “there was nothing” he meant the AD was made aware of it, investigated and nothing happened? I’m telling ya, he just threw a Geno under the bus.

Remember when the last Crackbus AD said he was glad Tressel didn't fire him? Just before Tressel got fired.

 

[soflagator]

Smith is fired. You lose.

McMurphy: Domestic battery in 2015 w Zach smith?

Leyer: There was nothing, I don’t know who creates a false story like that.


Now: Yeah, I misspoke. Didnt articulate well. I meant to say I knew about it and reported it and Im glad you created the totally true story.

Really tough sell.

My answer would be something like this for the original story: its a staff matter, and as far as I know its is being investigated by whomever. we are here to talk about Crackbus football.

Or now, something like:

Zach, mrs Zach and the kids are close friends for a long time. I wanted to believe wasnt capable of that. I didnt want to talk about it and was irritated that you posted the story and it was being tried in the court of public opinion. i reported it in 2015 but apparently misjudged him, now that I see there was actually so much more than I knew. I reported it but I would have done more if I had known the depth of this. We have people to handle these things. Investigations arent my job.

Something like that.

That’s my point. He spoke in absolutes, thanks in part to the surprise attack by McMurphy. This isn’t Meyer at his best. He cracked, the story is bad, and now things have been compounded by more recent statements.

I know we all think he’s a liar. But this is as bad as it gets. There are a number of ways he could’ve managed this. He didn’t.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

That’s my point. He spoke in absolutes, thanks in part to the surprise attack by McMurphy. This isn’t Meyer at his best. He cracked, the story is bad, and now things have been compounded by more recent statements.

I know we all think he’s a liar. But this is as bad as it gets. There are a number of ways he could’ve managed this. He didn’t.

I don't understand how he was blindsided by this when the story was already published. How are you not prepared?

Such arrogance.

 

[alcoholica]

After the wrestling situation, there was a good chance the AD and other would be gone. What's he really going to sacrifice by saving Meyer.

 

[SaltyGator]

I’m sure OSU will find a way to sweep this under the rug...

 

[leogator]

So what the motivation of this lady? When she had the chance to put him away and make him lose his job, she did not pull the trigger. So why now? Did she have it in for Meyer? You knew that OSU would protect him. What about McMurphy? This is just gotcha journalism.

 

[CGgater]

Remember when the last Crackbus AD said he was glad Tressel didn't fire him? Just before Tressel got fired.

Same AD. geno smith also kept repeating the same “it’s not a systemic problem” mantra almost weekly as new details about additional incidents came to light. How that guy kept his job is a mystery. The only plausible explanation is that o$u is on the same level of “winning at all costs” practices as f$u, which is... wait for it... systemic.

 

[CGgater]

So what the motivation of this lady? When she had the chance to put him away and make him lose his job, she did not pull the trigger. So why now? Did she have it in for Meyer? You knew that OSU would protect him. What about McMurphy? This is just gotcha journalism.

Getting her husband fired would’ve affected HER way of life, too. It was discussed in the Miles article posted earlier in this thread.

 

[leogator]

Getting her husband fired would’ve affected HER way of life, too. It was discussed in the Miles article posted earlier in this thread.

Well she finally go him fired. Now what?

 

[Back Alley Gator]

Well she finally go him fired. Now what?

We're seeing what's next, right now. After that come the lawsuits.....

 

[alcoholica]

Well she finally go him fired. Now what?

I think they are also divorced, or going through that process. A lot easier to let loose now. Problem is that there have been a lot of false flags under the #metoo movement. You never know what is really true in these instances.

I had a friend whose ex-wife loved to argue and fight. It was like foreplay to her, and I've met other women like that (or similar). Thankfully, my friend wasn't a violent guy because there were times that she grossly crossed lines. Doesn't mean you resort to violence. In his case, he stopped even arguing and just ignored her. So, she found a guy who would respond and cheated on him, and poof marriage over. Not saying she is like that, but it's not far fetched at all that she could be a little crazy. So maybe let things play out.

 

[leogator]

We're seeing what's next, right now. After that come the lawsuits.....

Just for argument's sake, let's say that OSU did it by the book. Shelley reports it to Urban, Urban reports it to the AD, AD investigates, gets the police report, police do not arrest him so no cause for action. Assigns him some counseling through the Employee Assistance Program. Had a good progress report and all, the police found nothing when she called them again and again and they investigated. Then he violated the no contact protection order and OSU fires him. So far, so good, right? No liability.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I think they are also divorced, or going through that process. A lot easier to let loose now. Problem is that there have been a lot of false flags under the #metoo movement. You never know what is really true in these instances.

Look I don't know much about this incident and there have surely been false metoos, like the chick who gave head to the comedian most of the night but claimed metoo because he wanted to finish the deed.

However, most of this occurred well before metoo, and it has involved documented fairly severe injuries or dangerous situations (ie during pregnancy) and nine police interactions, some of which were because third parties heard the fvkking Roid Rager going nuts and called the police.

And it is done. OSU looked at the evidence, including photos, and fired him.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

. Then he violated the no contact protection order and OSU fires him. So far, so good, right? No liability.

No. reporting to police isn't good enough.

In house counsel or their employee investigation people do the investigation, not just the police. There is a separate employment investigation needed. Being not charged by the police isn't the end of it, at all, though criminal prosecution does end it.

 

[Gatorraid81]

Starting to look like Meyer will escape this, maybe he gets some sort of suspension from the university, so it looks like he’s still receiving a punishment. Wonder what the impact this will have on his recruiting. This class and next could take a hit, but further you get past this, the less people will think about it. I find it irritating though that if this was UF, they would likely do the right thing and make him resign, but places like OSU, Bama, FSU, and others would do everything in their power to keep such a proven coach. Hell, we’d probably let him resign with a full buyout that we’d be paying for the following 10 years. I wonder if Arkansas had it to do all over if they’d just suspended Petrino for a period and took the PR hit, to keep a good coach. They’ve definitely suffered since he left and he landed ok at Louisville, nobody seems to bring up his incident anymore.

 

[Back Alley Gator]

Just for argument's sake, let's say that OSU did it by the book. Shelley reports it to Urban, Urban reports it to the AD, AD investigates, gets the police report, police do not arrest him so no cause for action. Assigns him some counseling through the Employee Assistance Program. Had a good progress report and all, the police found nothing when she called them again and again and they investigated. Then he violated the no contact protection order and OSU fires him. So far, so good, right? No liability.

That would be the absolute best case scenario for OSU and Meyer. And yes, if that were the case then everything would be fine. However I doubt they would suspend Meyer and launch an investigation if they know they played it by the book. Regardless, I think the motivation behind this is $$$ for Ms. Smith. Everything else is collateral damage.

Im betting she was being paid a certain amount of money while ex hubby was still working at OSU. She could continue to get that for however long the court ordered payments came in. Or...she could blow it all up and go for the big bucks by suing OSU. Once Smith was fired at OSU, that choice became an easier one to make. She's hoping for a nice big settlement, IMHO.

 

[Durfish]

I don't understand how he was blindsided by this when the story was already published. How are you not prepared?

Such arrogance.

This is shocking to me. tOSU fires Zach Smith days before the presser and Meyer isn't prepared to answer any questions about it? Seriously? Based on that alone Geno deserves to be fired just for not preparing his employee for the melee. He placed the athletic department at risk by not doing his job...again.
And Urbs probably deserves the axe as well for continuing to carry this guy on his staff unless he has proof that he or the department contracted Smith to obtain counseling and then followed up on it.

 

[78]

Ever the savvy communicator, Meyer toed the line between legal and moral/ethical in his written statement. I correctly reported the incident but I failed to be honest or forthright three years after the fact, never mind the extreme incongruency in my actions.

It more than hints that he weighed the consequences of no action in 2015 and decided -- likely after conferring with Gene Smith -- he could get away with it because Zach Smith was never formally charged.

Ohio State must decide between the technical interpretation of compliance and the practical interpretation -- as well as the anticipated public fallout over a not guilty verdict.

If Smith goes, Meyer does, too, and vice versa. There is no middle ground in my mind.