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I'm just messing with you. Glad you're back.No, just had some personal changes, but all good. :)
I'm just messing with you. Glad you're back.No, just had some personal changes, but all good. :)
The should establish a trust fund that for all scholarship players on the Power 5 teams. Fund could only be accessible after a period of time and could only be used for educational expenses or other reasonable items.
The push for paying players is an offshoot of the push for socialism since that is the basic premise.
Its gonna happen, the question for the NCAA is if they want to hit the issue head on or continue to halfheartedly talk about the "student-athlete". I do believe a carefully considered policy could allow athletes to receive some compensation equally across programs.
No, just had some personal changes, but all good. :)
I'm just messing with you. Glad you're back.
They will now.Its not like California teams were ever going to be in the NCAA playoffs anyway.
Guess what, if you are an employee being given free housing, food and clothing that gets taxed too.
Completely out of context, but I dated a girl in high school who ended up going to Stanford. She met a guy there who was the captain of the water polo team and a US Olympian. They got married and had kids, their daughters were on the USA Olympic water polo team in Rio. I'm just guessing here, but had she stayed at home and married me instead, her life might have been somewhat less idyllic.I'm so happy (for example) for the Stanford Water Polo team... this has been a long time coming.
disagree, it's not socialism. It's capitalism - the 'earners' (football/basketball) are watching the schools rake in $$$ based on their efforts. As such, the socialism comes into play when water polo and badmitten are asking for a portion of pay, whether it is equal or proportional, but that is secondary to the initial athletes to address, the 'earners'.
most of the athletes themselves do not bring value to this product. The University brings the value. A few of them are so good they could be national stars. No problem with them getting endorsements. A few more could be local celebrities that could get ad spots with car dealerships, pizza joints etc. Again, no problem with that.
But the idea on top of everything else they are owed a salary is ridiculous. They could be replaced in a second with kids from Division III across the board and we'd all go to the games and tune in because we love our Gators like the Dawgs love their Dawgs and for whatever reason the Vols keep loving the Vols.
They are already paid. About $250000 on average for a four year degree, room, board, fees, tuition and free publicity for the league. If they violate NCAA rules put the institution on probation, keep them out of the post season, and limit scholarships to those who obey the rules. Screw California, New York, and the rest of 'em.Hell ya, its about time. Pay them!
Completely out of context, but I dated a girl in high school who ended up going to Stanford. She met a guy there who was the captain of the water polo team and a US Olympian. They got married and had kids, their daughters were on the USA Olympic water polo team in Rio. I'm just guessing here, but had she stayed at home and married me instead, her life might have been somewhat less idyllic.
Trust me, if I could find a way to fly out to California and ball this woman I would. That would set everything straight, at least in my mind, between me and this golden boy.You should go find that guy right now and challenge him to a fight. Remind her what she missed out on.
.01% chance of this being the result. Just destroy the entire PAC 12 and all of its TV rights? The result of that is there is no more NCAA and the Power 5 go it alone. It would be NCAA suicide. Rather, every other state is going to follow California's law. No way a state like Georgia or Alabama will let their football team be disadvantaged. The Carolinas will follow suit for basketball.
There are lots of arguments that this is a bad move by California and the wrong result for college sports, but this argument, that the values equate, is nonsense, non-American, and, ironically, "stupid". There is no way Tebow's scholarship was only worth his schooling, books, food, etc. The exposure he received in return was arguably his greatest value from it, but he was restricted from realizing on that value when in school.
The notion that someone has received enough, so they should not get their full worth is antithetical to capitalism and the American dream. Without even looking it up, I'm guessing that while you call this stupid, you are banging the drum against "socialism" in the political forum. It is also ironic, though, that the most socialist state is fighting for individuals to separate themselves from the heard based on gifts they were primarily born with, opposed to earned. Seems like a privilege of birth to run fast or jump high while being 6'3", 240 lbs. Again, I don't care where you fall on the politics, it is just ironic how the different sides have lined up on seemingly the "wrong" or "opposite" side from the rest of their positions.
No it isnt
So the 5am practices, the travel, the scout team work all the things that go into developing a team and putting a product on the field that generates all that income to the schools and conferences? I disagree. Perhaps in a pure scenario you could somehow weigh the value of a starter versus non-starter. Nonetheless, 4 years tuition and a small stipend at best might be valued at 150K? meanwhile over that 4 years the school has received probably something close to $200 mill?! (someone can correct me). I am just throwing out an ideal, but the premise that I firmly believe is that the athletes should be paid. Paying all of them the same amount into a trust fund that can only be accessed in a certain amount of time is just an idea.Even if you turn out to not be very good? A guy like Justin Williams never contributes anything of value to his team--certainly nothing even remotely close to his recruiting projection--but gets paid while he's at a great University for 5 years, and hypothetically walks away with multiple degrees despite bringing nothing to the table? To me, that's insane.
And the reality is there are more "Justin Williams's" on the team than "Tim Tebow's/Percy Harvin's".
had she stayed at home and married me instead, her life might have been somewhat less idyllic
the premise that I firmly believe is that the athletes should be paid.
So the 5am practices, the travel, the scout team work all the things that go into developing a team and putting a product on the field that generates all that income to the schools and conferences? I disagree. Perhaps in a pure scenario you could somehow weigh the value of a starter versus non-starter. Nonetheless, 4 years tuition and a small stipend at best might be valued at 150K? meanwhile over that 4 years the school has received probably something close to $200 mill?! (someone can correct me). I am just throwing out an ideal, but the premise that I firmly believe is that the athletes should be paid. Paying all of them the same amount into a trust fund that can only be accessed in a certain amount of time is just an idea.