Florida State is in shambles: throw INT in end zone after being in winning FG range

[Jack o' Diamonds]

The question of the hour is "Can FSux coaching search rival Utoothless??"

 

[Alumni Guy]

One thing seems to be for certain, and that’s the Noles administration cares a whole lot more about football than our does.

But does their softball team have a newly remodeled stadium for the hundreds of fans to enjoy.

Check mate FSU

 

[5-Star Finger]

But does their softball team have a newly remodeled stadium for the baker's dozen of fans to enjoy.

FIFY

 

[SeabeeGator]

We joke about the race thing but I don’t think it’ll come up. He’s been such a disaster that almost anyone can see its purely business. If he was 8-4 both seasons, you might see that thrown around. But his first two seasons are likely to be bowlless and they had been in a bowl for like three straight decades.

 

[BMF]

He isn't the only one reporting this. This has been going on a while. The new part of this is the possibility he's canned sometime in the next 24-48 hours. I doubt that. However, I'd be stunned if he is back next year.




I like Babers. But, he just signed a new deal extending to 2024. I assume a large buyout goes with it. Campbell's buyout is 7 million. The problem with a Babers, Campbell or Clawson is that just because they are successful at a smaller school, does not mean he'll be good at an fsux. The recruiting and competition are an entirely different ball game.

I think Clawson or Stoops would be the two best and realistic they could get. Clawson has done it at 3 schools, he's a proven solid head coach (not great, but he's proven he can win wherever he's gone....so far). Winning at Wake ain't easy. Babers probably would jump at it, but would require at least $1 million more than Syracuse is paying w/ a huge buyout. The situation they're in is unbelievable. I never thought we could ever find a more incompetent coaching staff than Butters.

 

[T REX]

I don't think he's gonna make it. Lots of noise in the system. And it has nothing to do with race. He's a disaster.

 

[GatorFL]

The math is pretty big to dump Willie now. Between him and his assistants and buying out another coach it's probably $25-30 million. I bet they give him another year.

 

[Alumni Guy]

I never thought we could ever find a more incompetent coaching staff than Butters.

It’s close, but I think WiLLLLLie is a bit better. The SEC east when Butters was here was pretty close to the A-She-She. So, you can compare their records.

Maybe it’s just hard for me to not think of Hee-Haw McSharkhumper as anything but the worst.

To me, Butters is the worst for off the field stuff: crappy S&C, weird stories from recruits, crying during post-games, sticking with his butt-buddies LDR and Nuss,etc.

It’s close, but once again Gators Win!

 

[soflagator]

I don't think he's gonna make it. Lots of noise in the system. And it has nothing to do with race. He's a disaster.

Of course it ultimately has little or nothing to do with race. No one is seriously saying that here. His team just lost, in large part because they just had some of the most disastrous final 35 seconds in the history of football, with the Boise and Uva games being nearly as bad.

It's just that race seems to be such a recurring theme today and so you have people here sarcastically using it as a reason to keep him. If anything, the fact that he's a minority coach and this ludicrous notion that Fisher left such a disaster is helping his cause, not hurting it. We can all laugh at them, but they are in a tight spot. It looks bad to be considering this midseason in year 2, justified or not, and the race element will be mentioned quite a bit if they pull this trigger. No different than Strong in his second year in Austin.

But it's the situation they put themselves in, thinking they'd just landed the trendy, cool up an comer, without looking at the substance. Now they have to pay on multiple fronts because it's about to get ugly.

 

[Gator by the Sea]

Lots of good points made in the last couple of pages of this thread. I, for one, am thoroughly enjoying watching the dumpster fire that is going on in Tallacrappy. What's mind-blowing to me, however, is how delusional a large portion of the semenhole fan base is. We here on GC can clearly see that Willie is a disaster; yet of all the clown fans that I've talked with recently, there are still about half of them that actually think he's the right guy, and that he is trending positively, and that he just needs more time and a QB. Their blind faith (stupidity, really) is something to behold.

 

[SeabeeGator]

Lots of good points made in the last couple of pages of this thread. I, for one, am thoroughly enjoying watching the dumpster fire that is going on in Tallacrappy. What's mind-blowing to me, however, is how delusional a large portion of the semenhole fan base is. We here on GC can clearly see that WiLLLLLLLie is a disaster; yet of all the clown fans that I've talked with recently, there are still about half of them that actually think he's the right guy, and that he is trending positively, and that he just needs more time and a QB. Their blind faith (stupidity, really) is something to behold.

Did you ever swing by Swamp Gas or Alligator Army during the Mac and Chump years? No different than what they’re doing over there. For whatever reason, a significant portion of every fan base is completely happy to whistle past the graveyard.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

Two reasons Urby won't go to FSU:
1) At this point in his career he's not walking into a dumpster fire/rebuild. Smart coaches know better.
2) He's a $10M/yr, 7 year kinda guy. FSU could barely afford Willie at $5M/yr. Throw in the $20-25M they'll need to get rid of Taggert, buy out current assistant's contracts, and buy out new assistant contracts and there is just no way they can afford it.

It buys FSU nothing to fire Willie midstream this year, they save little if any money and kills the recruiting class. But there really isn't any best scenario. In the absence of an angel investor who wants to donate $30-50M they're screwed.

 

[T REX]

The difference in savings is roughly $4.25 mill plus assistants...depending on how the rest of the season plays out, do you really care about $4 mill if you know he's never gonna be the guy.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

So the article says that Urban is their top target. Can't see him going to that dumpster fire.

School Down South?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

But does their softball team have a newly remodeled stadium for the DOZENS of fans to enjoy.

FIFY

 

[maheo30]

I'm all for helping out the semis land Butters as their next head coach.

 

[NavetG8r]

I'm all for helping out the semis land Butters as their next head coach.

As long as he brings Kent as his S&C coach.

 

[FireFoley]

I'm all for helping out the semis land Butters as their next head coach.

Okay this has to be the most laughable opinion I have read on here in a long time and clearly this person only looks at numbers without regard to watching football. I would submit that the two times that the Butters led Gators made the SEC CG, were the worst 2 teams to ever win either division since the SEC split into 2 divisions. Not a knock on those teams just an opinion. In those 2 years the entire SEC East was nothing short of fvvking horrendous. So in all honesty there was 6 wins already and add 2 or 3 OOC games against division 26 opponents and there are 9 wins. I happen to think that even Willie would have scratched 9 wins in those 2 years.

I concede that Butters was the head coach and did win one game that many thought he would lose. The game at LSU. Duly noted. However he got butwaxed in both SECCG games, played at a mediocre ARK team and lost 76-9 or something like that. So how in the world can anyone who supposedly watches football say that he did win 8 or 9 against a tougher schedule. And yes I know the ACC sux.

 

[5-Star Finger]

I'm all for helping out the semis land Butters as their next head coach.

I don't think I could take the joy if this was actually the end result of this death spiral. Getting the chance to beat that clown like a drunken trucker for the next few seasons would be almost too much happiness for my heart to handle. It would be like Marcus Aurelius at sunrise.

 

[gatorev12]

Two reasons Urby won't go to FSU:
1) At this point in his career he's not walking into a dumpster fire/rebuild. Smart coaches know better.
2) He's a $10M/yr, 7 year kinda guy. FSU could barely afford WiLLLLLLLie at $5M/yr. Throw in the $20-25M they'll need to get rid of Taggert, buy out current assistant's contracts, and buy out new assistant contracts and there is just no way they can afford it.

It buys FSU nothing to fire WiLLLLLLLie midstream this year, they save little if any money and kills the recruiting class. But there really isn't any best scenario. In the absence of an angel investor who wants to donate $30-50M they're screwed.

A colleague and I had an almost identical conversation today and that's how I saw it too.

f$u had a budget loss last year...attendance is waaay down this year...and even IF they negotiate a slightly smaller buyout--it's still going to be $15-17M of a payout at a minimum. And if Urban or some similar-caliber coach goes there, they're going to demand $6-7M with multi-year guarantees.

On top of that...f$u starts to lose some of their elite-level talent this year and next as the top recruits from the Jimbo era leave for the NFL or graduate. I think there's little chance Akers stays and there's at least 1-2 of their best defensive guys who are sure to leave too.

The knock on f$u now is that they have the talent to win, but not the right coaching or leadership. It's going to get worse when the elite-level talent leaves and few elite-level, established coaches want a multi-year rebuild. They'll just wait for the right opportunity where they have pieces in place to win quickly.