Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash

78 · Jan 27, 2020

URGatorBait said:
You had that many followers?

Times 34. Our boy Pug is a bit of a Twitter sensation.

SeabeeGator · Jan 27, 2020

WSJ has a great article that discusses the timeline and restrictions. Apparently the pilot was seasoned and, according to the other pilot interviewed, one of the few that could potentially operate in those conditions. They also include some of the quotes between ATC and the pilot - pilot’s quote do not seem like the kind that would indicate he was panicking.

RiverRat · Jan 27, 2020

Was never a laker fan but admired his passion and energy he brought to the game, one hell of a competitor. R.I.P. and prayers to his family.

Swamp Donkey · Jan 27, 2020

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MissouriGator · Jan 27, 2020

This is a horrible tragedy no matter how you spin it.
Just imagine, for a moment, If it were one of your loved ones that was lost.
Kobe was and is an icon to many, but he was also a human being with a family. So were all the others that perished, and their families will suffer this loss much more than all the fans of Kobe Bryant.
I don't know any of them, but I know what it's like to suddenly lose a loved one.
It sucks, and it never goes away.
My heart and prayers go out to those families.

Swamp Donkey · Jan 27, 2020

78 said:
The gravity when an official tells the media not just that the victims died but that they “perished.”

In other words, blown to smithereens. They’ll need dental records or DNA to positively ID the nine.

"The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said the coroner’s office was still on the scene and they had no plans to release identities right now. The Medical Examiner Examiner’s Office said earlier Monday that the remains of three bodies were recovered."

Three bodies. Sounds like you were dead on. That probably means parts from three bodies of they have only found three.

Looks like the bird can carry up to 281 +gallons maybe 100 gallons i a secondary tank of jet fuel. So after they smashed the hill at 180mph the jet engines and that fuel no doubt incinerated much of the bits.

Scott512 · Jan 27, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
Sorry, Scott.

Thanks. I am hoping 2020 gets better then we have this tragedy with Kobe and his daughter and the seven others and then we're going to have the most vicious and vile election cycle this year. I will be even worse than 2016. I hope I'm up for it. But more than that I hope the president is up for it. I think he is.

Swamp Donkey said:
Sorry, Scott.

Thank you Donkey.

I keep hoping 2020 gets better but then we're having a presidential election this year and that's probably going to be more vicious than 2016 was.

deuce · Jan 27, 2020

People sure can act Human...

GatorBart · Jan 27, 2020

oxrageous said:
I would sure as hell hope that a pilot, pressured or not, wouldn't fly in conditions that he knows could get him and everyone else on board killed. I would hope a pilot would be smarter than that. We're talking life and death here.

It’s not that hard to get a license, so you don’t have to be that smart. Hell, I almost got mine :bandit:

but quit after my instructor got killed in an ultralight accident. Bad things happen, but they happen more frequently if you make bad decisions, like flying in someone else’s ultralight or flying in a canyon in pea soup.

alcoholica · Jan 27, 2020

Sec14Gator said:
We may wish that all those people you mentioned were more valuable, but they weren't. Of all people to be able to see the cold reality, I'm surprised a bit by your sappy, unrealistic view.

To specific individuals directly impacted by a teacher, saved by a DR or marine, those people absolutely were (or should have been) more value, but on the scale of someone as well known, and great at his very popular event, it's just not true. You and I may not have been motivated one bit by Kobe, but tens of thousands (or more) people were motivated by him. Plus, to completely downplay the role of athletes in impacting communities, as well as families that watch together, by winning and sharing that potential greatness, is intentionally being ignorant to make your point that we should value other things more. Perhaps we should, but we don't. There is a reason he is getting all this attention for his passing and others that die daily in various crashes/accidents do not. It is not a political agenda (as the John Lennon, Arnold Palmer or Payne Stewart analogies would reveal), it is just reality (as is his bank account) of who was more valuable in the larger societal sense (not some religious, gates of heaven, who was a "better person" in the eyes of god assessment).

Also, using your analogy of how would the entire world be different without him, without 1 specific teacher or 1 specific cop, firefighter etc, does the whole world change? Would there not be another teacher, just like there would be another basketball player? If not, then we would pay more until there was a replacement teacher. Whereas, Kobe changes entire history books by winning championships for a particular city that impacts millions. He was so famous because he was not so simply replaceable. Sure, some other city would win and cause the impact somewhere else, but that is not what happened. It was Kobe winning and scoring all those points. It was his death that had people all over LA flooding streets crying. I didn't shed a tear, but I can't deny that so many others did because he was important to them.

How many millions were motivated by Hitler, Stalin, or Mao? You must really value them, they had a huge impact on a lot of people.

g8r.tom · Jan 28, 2020

GatorBart said:
It’s not that hard to get a license, so you don’t have to be that smart. Hell, I almost got mine but quit after my instructor got killed in an ultralight accident. Bad things happen, but they happen more frequently if you make bad decisions, like flying in someone else’s ultralight or flying in a canyon in pea soup.

i got my private pilots license about 12 years ago. It was pretty easy. Took a class, I can’t remember but it was a 40 or 60 hour course. Had to pass the class exam, and then a state written exam. Then I had to pass a flight exam with a FAA instructor. It wasn’t hard. The course work wasn’t hard. Neither was the flight exam.

Gatordiddy · Jan 28, 2020

g8r.tom said:
i got my private pilots license about 12 years ago. It was pretty easy. Took a class, I can’t remember but it was a 40 or 60 hour course. Had to pass the class exam, and then a state written exam. Then I had to pass a flight exam with a FAA instructor. It wasn’t hard. The course work wasn’t hard. Neither was the flight exam.

do you still fly?

NVGator · Jan 28, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
According to this article, yes he could (and should) have gone up instead of down to avoid the fog. Regarding the suicide mission, the guy was traveling at 161 knots and hit the mountainside full speed, so it does make you wonder.

Kobe Bryant Helicopter Pilot Misjudged Terrain and Didn't Slow Down, Pilots Say

186 mph and add 45 mph on a decent into the mountain side.

NVGator · Jan 28, 2020

78 said:
We came to know him more than 720 months ago.

Unless my math is really wrong, you’re saying he was 60?

g8tr72 · Jan 28, 2020

Wow.

"I want to die young."

Buckman2000 · Jan 28, 2020

I guess he didn’t watch La Bamba. I swore that I would never get on a small aircraft in weather that is less than perfect.

Musclepug · Jan 28, 2020

la bamba....lmao

Musclepug · Jan 28, 2020

this was pretty good.....sad

Buckman2000 · Jan 28, 2020

g8r.tom · Jan 28, 2020

Gatordiddy said:
do you still fly?

no. Enjoyed it for about 5 years then sold the plane.

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