UF's Football Facilities - Finally begins (on lacrosse)

Dunder · Mar 27, 2020

ChiefGator said:
We might be quite happy with conservative spending if this article and the recent reduction on money from the NCAA lasts even a couple of years.

Coronavirus sparks concern over impact on college football budgets

Not to mention the potential changes if a lot of college becomes through the internet.

Comment as you desire.

The funds for the football building come from a fundraiser that was specifically setup for these facilities. I hope that they can't/won't divert the funds to other needs due to loss of income from the virus.

But still.... I'm very afraid that they just might.

Swamp Donkey · Mar 27, 2020

Dunder said:
The funds for the football building come from a fundraiser that was specifically setup for these facilities. I hope that they can't/won't divert the funds to other needs due to loss of income from the virus.

But still.... I'm very afraid that they just might.

Imagine if we could just spend our 140mil per year for facilities. You know the 140mil that most schools would need a historic fundraiser to even get for one season.

Yeah, imagine that.

At least the AD's office can keep stuffing their fvkking pockets either way.

Swamp Donkey · Mar 27, 2020

ChiefGator said:
We might be quite happy with conservative spending if this article and the recent reduction on money from the NCAA lasts even a couple of years.

Coronavirus sparks concern over impact on college football budgets

Not to mention the potential changes if a lot of college becomes through the internet.

Comment as you desire.

fvkk you. you and people that think like you are everything that is ghetto ass trailer trash about UF.

BMF · Mar 27, 2020

ChiefGator said:
We might be quite happy with conservative spending if this article and the recent reduction on money from the NCAA lasts even a couple of years.

Coronavirus sparks concern over impact on college football budgets

Not to mention the potential changes if a lot of college becomes through the internet.

Comment as you desire.

Where are the "the players should be paid" crowd now? Meanwhile, the G5 schools we pay $1 million+ to come play in Gainesville are struggling to stay afloat....

ThreatMatrix · Mar 27, 2020

Bullag8r said:
They will probably install the new low water use toilets and no water urinals. Bathroom sink faucets in McKethan haven't worked right in over 20 years and they never bothered to repair or replace them. They installed new tile about ten years ago but that's about it.

We'll take it. Thank you so much for the crumbs. Maybe one day football can be the parasite living off the spoils of others who earned it.

Bullag8r · Mar 27, 2020

ThreatMatrix said:
We'll take it. Thank you so much for the crumbs. Maybe one day football can be the parasite living off the spoils of others who earned it.

You really don't grasp the whole concept of college athletics do you? Or maybe you just disagree with the fundamental idea behind NCAA athletics. Your sentiment is similar to someone attending a horse race and complaining about whether the horses run in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction.

ThreatMatrix · Mar 27, 2020

Bullag8r said:
You really don't grasp the whole concept of college athletics do you? Or maybe you just disagree with the fundamental idea behind NCAA athletics. Your sentiment is similar to someone attending a horse race and complaining about whether the horses run in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction.

To provide a forum for amateur athletes to compete?
Didn't know it had to be a $65,000,000 forum. I missed that in the bylaws.

The concept is simple.
Football serves 10x as many fans as all the sports combined.
Football pays the bills for all the other sports.
Football generates enough money to give some back to the academic side.
When Football wins championships academic applications double.
The more you feed football the more it gives back.
And so Football should get to eat first.
Whatever crumbs are left over you can have, and you should be damn grateful you get any.

ChiefGator · Mar 28, 2020

Dunder said:
The funds for the football building come from a fundraiser that was specifically setup for these facilities. I hope that they can't/won't divert the funds to other needs due to loss of income from the virus.

But still.... I'm very afraid that they just might.

The idea is that we one are better off with lower debt, and my understanding is that it was not fully funded either. In any case unless they have the actual cash the donations might be less considering some have lost a third of their wealth.

I want great facilities, but I also don't want the program bankrupt if something very bad happens. It is clear that income is going to be down for some time (at least to me) being prepared is better than not.

Thick&ThinG8r · Mar 28, 2020

ChiefGator said:
The idea is that we one are better off with lower debt, and my understanding is that it was not fully funded either. In any case unless they have the actual cash the donations might be less considering some have lost a third of their wealth.

I want great facilities, but I also don't want the program bankrupt if something very bad happens. It is clear that income is going to be down for some time (at least to me) being prepared is better than not.

Common sense isn't appreciated around here chief, I'm sure Strickland has to be scrambling to make sure all the pledges to the stand alone are still good, considering what's happened over the last two weeks.

Bullag8r · Mar 28, 2020

ThreatMatrix said:
To provide a forum for amateur athletes to compete?
Didn't know it had to be a $65,000,000 forum. I missed that in the bylaws.

The concept is simple.
Football serves 10x as many fans as all the sports combined.
Football pays the bills for all the other sports.
Football generates enough money to give some back to the academic side.
When Football wins championships academic applications double.
The more you feed football the more it gives back.
And so Football should get to eat first.
Whatever crumbs are left over you can have, and you should be damn grateful you get any.

Hey man, there is nothing wrong with your logic. I agree. But that is not the NCAA model or objective. Typically, AD's are tasked with championships in each of the sports they are responsible for. To get and retain coaches for each sport at a top national university like UF they need to provide state of the art facilities.

I would be interested to see a breakdown of the percentage of dollars spent for football compared with the percentage allocated to all other sports over the past 30 years and what is the breakdown between booster dollars and gifts designated for specific sports facility?

YLGator · Mar 28, 2020

Bullag8r said:
Hey man, there is nothing wrong with your logic. I agree. But that is not the NCAA model or objective. Typically, AD's are tasked with championships in each of the sports they are responsible for. To get and retain coaches for each sport at a top national university like UF they need to provide state of the art facilities.

I would be interested to see a breakdown of the percentage of dollars spent for football compared with the percentage allocated to all other sports over the past 30 years and what is the breakdown between booster dollars and gifts designated for specific sports facility?

An easier comparison is to look at the facilities at schools with no football program. I have two kids at Cal State Fullerton. CSUF is a huge state school (40,000+ students) located in the middle of Orange County, CA with over 3.5M people and just 45 minutes from the second largest city in the country.

They have no football program.

Here's some info on CSUF's facilities

Baseball Stadium capacity - 3,500
Basketball Gym capacity - 4,000 (yes, they call it a gym)
Softball stadium capacity - 1,000
Soccer stadium capacity - 10,000

CSUF is in the middle of fundraising to upgrade the Baseball and Softball facilities. They plan to spend $10M - $12M. The CSUF baseball program is a national power with 4 NCAA Championships and regularly competes in the college world series with their last appearance in 2017.

Amazing what programs at huge state schools in highly populated areas can thrive on from a facilities standpoint when there's no football money available.

Bullag8r · Mar 28, 2020

YLGator said:
An easier comparison is to look at the facilities at schools with no football program. I have two kids at Cal State Fullerton. CSUF is a huge state school (40,000+ students) located in the middle of Orange County, CA with over 3.5M people and just 45 minutes from the second largest city in the country.

They have no football program.

Here's some info on CSUF's facilities

Baseball Stadium capacity - 3,500
Basketball Gym capacity - 4,000 (yes, they call it a gym)
Softball stadium capacity - 1,000
Soccer stadium capacity - 10,000

CSUF is in the middle of fundraising to upgrade the Baseball and Softball facilities. They plan to spend $10M - $12M. The CSUF baseball program is a national power with 4 NCAA Championships and regularly competes in the college world series with their last appearance in 2017.

Amazing what programs at huge state schools in highly populated areas can thrive on from a facilities standpoint when there's no football money available.

"To get and retain coaches and recruit elite players for each sport at a top national university like UF they need to provide state of the art facilities." CSF has waned as a national baseball power. They haven't won 40 games in a season since about 2011 or 2012 I believe. When this season ended they were 4-12. Has CSF ever won a championship in anything other than baseball? They are in a second or third rate conference. Competing for championships in the SEC costs a great deal more in every sport.

ThreatMatrix · Mar 28, 2020

Bullag8r said:
"To get and retain coaches and recruit elite players for each sport at a top national university like UF they need to provide state of the art facilities." CSF has waned as a national baseball power. They haven't won 40 games in a season since about 2011 or 2012 I believe. When this season ended they were 4-12. Has CSF ever won a championship in anything other than baseball? They are in a second or third rate conference. Competing for championships in the SEC costs a great deal more in every sport.

I'm sorry. It's a baseball field. You don't need $65M to build a baseball field. Grass, chalk, 3 bases, a home plate and a pitching rubber. That leaves $64,999,000 for the coaches desk.
Honestly I don't give a damn if you waste that money on baseball. And by waste I mean there's no ROI.
I just demand that football gets it's needs met first.
Oh and I'm real pissed that they can't go ahead and tear down the stadium yet because the coaches can't work out of trailers for a few months while their undeserving gift is built for them.

BMF · Mar 29, 2020

ThreatMatrix said:
I'm sorry. It's a baseball field. You don't need $65M to build a baseball field. Grass, chalk, 3 bases, a home plate and a pitching rubber. That leaves $64,999,000 for the coaches desk.
Honestly I don't give a damn if you waste that money on baseball. And by waste I mean there's no ROI.
I just demand that football gets it's needs met first.
Oh and I'm real pissed that they can't go ahead and tear down the stadium yet because the coaches can't work out of trailers for a few months while their undeserving gift is built for them.

All kidding & b*tching aside, I'd love to see what they could have built for half that money - $32.5 million. I imagine it could have been very similar. Kentucky opened a new stadium in 2019 that cost $49 million and it's state of the art, very nice. We could have built something similar and saved $10+ million. (also, Kentucky already has a football-only facility too....and the best basketball-only facilities in the country):

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Bullag8r · Mar 29, 2020

ThreatMatrix said:
I'm sorry. It's a baseball field. You don't need $65M to build a baseball field. Grass, chalk, 3 bases, a home plate and a pitching rubber. That leaves $64,999,000 for the coaches desk.
Honestly I don't give a damn if you waste that money on baseball. And by waste I mean there's no ROI.
I just demand that football gets it's needs met first.
Oh and I'm real pissed that they can't go ahead and tear down the stadium yet because the coaches can't work out of trailers for a few months while their undeserving gift is built for them.

"ROI" ~ Is not an NCAA objective. Maybe it should be. I am not arguing with you about right and wrong. I am just pointing out long held NCAA goals and objectives.

"I just demand" ~ Really? Make your demands to UF, the NCAA or a court of law and see how much time and energy you flush down crapper. Demand all you want but you will most certainly need some heavy sedation when you don't get your way.

YLGator · Mar 29, 2020

BMF said:
All kidding & b*tching aside, I'd love to see what they could have built for half that money - $32.5 million. I imagine it could have been very similar. Kentucky opened a new stadium in 2019 that cost $49 million and it's state of the art, very nice. We could have built something similar and saved $10+ million. (also, Kentucky already has a football-only facility too....and the best basketball-only facilities in the country):

Ok, here's another comparison. Kentucky just spent $50M on a baseball stadium. At the same time, Oregon State continues to play in a stadium built in 1907 and has only spent $5M in facility upgrades over the last 20 years. One of these programs has never been to the College World Series. The other has won three national championships in the last 15 years with the latest in 2018. Kind of odd.

BMF · Mar 29, 2020

YLGator said:
Ok, here's another comparison. Kentucky just spent $50M on a baseball stadium. At the same time, Oregon State continues to play in a stadium built in 1907 and has only spent $5M in facility upgrades over the last 20 years. One of these programs has never been to the College World Series. The other has won three national championships in the last 15 years with the latest in 2018. Kind of odd.

More to the point of why did we have to spend $65 million? Like I said, I'd like to see what half of that would have bought us. I imagine it would have been quite impressive.

Double Gator Dad · Mar 29, 2020

ThreatMatrix said:
To provide a forum for amateur athletes to compete?
Didn't know it had to be a $65,000,000 forum. I missed that in the bylaws.

The concept is simple.
Football serves 10x as many fans as all the sports combined.
Football pays the bills for all the other sports.
Football generates enough money to give some back to the academic side.
When Football wins championships academic applications double.
The more you feed football the more it gives back.
And so Football should get to eat first.
Whatever crumbs are left over you can have, and you should be damn grateful you get any.

So you’re suggesting that those that earn the money should enjoy the benefit?

How capitalistic of you. Unfortunately the younger generation believes that those that earn should be shamed into giving it up for others. So football should serve no other purpose than to fund everything the lacrosse team wants and needs. Apparently our previous AD was a closet socialist

Gator By Marriage · Mar 29, 2020

Double Gator Dad said:
So football should serve no other purpose than to fund everything the lacrosse team wants and needs.

At what point does Title IX apply? Your lacrosse comment made me wonder, as I really can’t imagine what inspired UF to start a women’s lacrosse program other than to balance out some spending. I know very little of the rules on this.

Double Gator Dad · Mar 29, 2020

Gator By Marriage said:
At what point does Title IX apply? Your lacrosse comment made me wonder, as I really can’t imagine what inspired UF to start a women’s lacrosse program other than to balance out some spending. I know very little of the rules on this.

I’ve asked the same question but never got a response.
I assumed that adding lacrosse would enable UF to offer a few more schollies in baseball or men’s track but apparently the scholly numbers in those sports are limited by the NCAA so I have no idea how this impacts Title IV or why we added the sport if there was no ancillary benefit other than the previous AD loves the sport

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