The Gator Collective - Thoughts?

ATXGator · Sep 9, 2021

Not sure what the thoughts are on this. Seems like it could be a great way to enable our players to take advantage of NIL opportunities

The Gator Collective

Founded by former UF baseball player Eddie Rojas, reviewed by NIL lawyer Darren Heitner, and an advisory board of Johnny Rutledge, Shannon Snell, Cornelius Ingram, and Ben Troupe.

The goal is to use the individual power of Gator fans to combine and create really good NIL opportunities for our players. This certainly could help in recruiting because NIL opportunities will be part of what recruits look at.

It is definitely an interesting idea...

ThreatMatrix · Sep 9, 2021

Sounds like a non-profit.
i.e. 90% of funds collected will go to administrative "expenses".

MidwestChomp · Sep 9, 2021

Really good idea to take advantage of the NIL. I think it would be great to include athletes from other sports too.

Swamp Donkey · Sep 9, 2021

MidwestChomp said:
Really good idea to take advantage of the NIL. I think it would be great to include athletes from other sports too.

It would, if anyone cared.

You sound like Fooley.

t-gator · Sep 9, 2021

The proceeds should buy out Grantham

Swamp Donkey · Sep 9, 2021

You jackasses send some money. Even a coffee a month.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Swamp Donkey · Sep 9, 2021

ThreatMatrix said:
Sounds like a non-profit.
i.e. 90% of funds collected will go to administrative "expenses".

Oh you mean like UAA?

ATXGator · Sep 9, 2021

ThreatMatrix said:
Sounds like a non-profit.
i.e. 90% of funds collected will go to administrative "expenses".

With the advisory board they have of former players I don't think you will see 90% go to "administrative" expenses. I think the goal of this is to get money to the players and that is mostly what will happen.

Their goal is 10K by Bama. If they get 1/2 of that and average $5/person/month that is 25K per month. Even if only 60% goes to players that is 15K to the players/month. Obviously that is divided by the number of players, but that isn't a bad monthly payment and that is super conservative math.

Swamp Donkey · Sep 9, 2021

I really hope this pisses off Fooley & Company.

They think that money should be inntheir pockets and coffers.

neteng · Sep 9, 2021

I committed to the minimum. Zach Carter is one of the collective. The players don't have to be a part of it if they don't want. Right now I think there are 6 athletes. This is how they are reaching out to us for $. I dont have the money a booster has so Ill do my part at places like this. Fuggin Perry just got signed after looking like crap. Zach Carter had a great game and this is one way to thank him. Funny seeing people come up with reasons to not support like how much actually goes to the players. Geesh...none of your business...this is how these players are reaching out...they know how much is theirs and thats all that should matter.

EDIT: Now there are 10 athletes and I aint got a single problem with any of them. I also want to add, its frustrating to think about funding Orange and Blue when you disagree with the way the program is being run, but don't confuse that with giving money directly to the players who chose to go to Florida. That should be rewarded.

Sec14Gator · Sep 9, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
You jackasses send some money. Even a coffee a month.

Put your money where your mouth is.

So this is where I'm at, but this setup is currently flawed or needs to highlight what these guys will be doing for the money to justify it. So far, they aren't really selling NIL here, but just gathering money. They are going to have to pivot and be creative in how they compensate the players. Just one example: How much do you pay Carter vs Mincey and those type decisions are also looming.

Beyond that, this seems very close to an organization where the primary purpose is to support the team, not something to market NIL opportunities. That type of organization is explicitly barred from paying NIL under the Florida law.

While I've been one of the most critical of UF's handling of the NIL laws (and believe their rules are flatly illegal under Florida law by trying to exclude boosters), for these reasons this setup looks like it also is problematic (not under NCAA rules except to the extent they incorporate Florida's rules and require that players are not paid solely for being on the team). Since UF is trying to monitor all of this, and these are a group that could read the rules as well as me, hopefully the tweaks moving forward are helpful.

Edit - Heitner’s connection should ensure they follow the law he drafted.

MidwestChomp · Sep 9, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
It would, if anyone cared.

You sound like Fooley.

FireFoley · Sep 9, 2021

The best way to get NIL money is to WIN and look good doing it!

ATXGator · Sep 9, 2021

neteng said:
I committed to the minimum. Zach Carter is one of the collective. The players don't have to be a part of it if they don't want. Right now I think there are 6 athletes. This is how they are reaching out to us for $. I dont have the money a booster has so Ill do my part at places like this. Fuggin Perry just got signed after looking like crap. Zach Carter had a great game and this is one way to thank him. Funny seeing people come up with reasons to not support like how much actually goes to the players. Geesh...none of your business...this is how these players are reaching out...they know how much is theirs and thats all that should matter.

EDIT: Now there are 10 athletes and I aint got a single problem with any of them. I also want to add, its frustrating to think about funding Orange and Blue when you disagree with the way the program is being run, but don't confuse that with giving money directly to the players who chose to go to Florida. That should be rewarded.

I agree 100%. I also committed to the minimum. This is also one way you can actually help in recruiting.

ATXGator · Sep 9, 2021

Sec14Gator said:
So this is where I'm at, but this setup is currently flawed or needs to highlight what these guys will be doing for the money to justify it. So far, they aren't really selling NIL here, but just gathering money. They are going to have to pivot and be creative in how they compensate the players. Just one example: How much do you pay Carter vs Mincey and those type decisions are also looming.

Beyond that, this seems very close to an organization where the primary purpose is to support the team, not something to market NIL opportunities. That type of organization is explicitly barred from paying NIL under the Florida law.

While I've been one of the most critical of UF's handling of the NIL laws (and believe their rules are flatly illegal under Florida law by trying to exclude boosters), for these reasons this setup looks like it also is problematic (not under NCAA rules except to the extent they incorporate Florida's rules and require that players are not paid solely for being on the team). Since UF is trying to monitor all of this, and these are a group that could read the rules as well as me, hopefully the tweaks moving forward are helpful.

They specifically say they are going to have interviews, merchandise, signings and other events. This also has been reviewed by a lawyer who specializes in NIL and was started by a former UF athlete.

I think they said at one point that each athlete signs a contract and that determines how much they get paid.

Perfect Example of NIL

FireFoley · Sep 9, 2021

ATXGator said:
I agree 100%. I also committed to the minimum. This is also one way you can actually help in recruiting.

True. But another way would be to have a HC who tries or that players are drawn to. Or for a HC to have a staff that players actually think are good coaches and want to play for. Our recruiting problems will not be solved by some NIL BS. Most of the recruits who come to UF are b/c UF was their best offer or for the better players that did not get a committable offer from a higher level program.

G. Gordon Gator · Sep 9, 2021

I've seen several schools doing these "collective" deals, where groups of players are banding together under one promotional banner and splitting the proceeds. I guess they are like "catch-alls," so that lesser-known players who wouldn't sell much swag under their own names can make money too. Good idea. Big uglies wanna get paid, too. They hungry.

GR8 2B · Sep 9, 2021

neteng said:
I committed to the minimum. Zach Carter is one of the collective. The players don't have to be a part of it if they don't want. Right now I think there are 6 athletes. This is how they are reaching out to us for $. I dont have the money a booster has so Ill do my part at places like this. Fuggin Perry just got signed after looking like crap. Zach Carter had a great game and this is one way to thank him. Funny seeing people come up with reasons to not support like how much actually goes to the players. Geesh...none of your business...this is how these players are reaching out...they know how much is theirs and thats all that should matter.

EDIT: Now there are 10 athletes and I aint got a single problem with any of them. I also want to add, its frustrating to think about funding Orange and Blue when you disagree with the way the program is being run, but don't confuse that with giving money directly to the players who chose to go to Florida. That should be rewarded.

This sounds like a possible legal alternative to the $100 handshake.

ThreatMatrix · Sep 9, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
Oh you mean like UAA?

Nothing like UAA cuz the 10% actually goes to football.

ThreatMatrix · Sep 9, 2021

ATXGator said:
With the advisory board they have of former players I don't think you will see 90% go to "administrative" expenses.

Oh no. It's 90%. I'm never hyperbolic. It's been tested and cross tested then AB tested. The results were verified by both Dunning AND Kruger. Definitely 90%.

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