2022 Kentucky Derby / Preakness / Belmont Thread

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And why would you say this? Explain your twisted logic for us.
I watched a lot of post race interviews. The trainer said he'd do what he felt was in the best interest of the horse, and yes, his best interest plays into that. Running on a shorter turn around than he's use to and doing poorly would likely only hurt the horse's stock and risk injury in the process. Waiting and running the Belmont is a safer bet for horse and trainer. A certain amount of gamble either way.
 

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I watched a lot of post race interviews. The trainer said he'd do what he felt was in the best interest of the horse, and yes, his best interest plays into that. Running on a shorter turn around than he's use to and doing poorly would likely only hurt the horse's stock and risk injury in the process. Waiting and running the Belmont is a safer bet for horse and trainer. A certain amount of gamble either way.
You’re drunk. You got a shot at history you take it.
 

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You’re drunk. You got a shot at history you take it.
No, you're drunk. What do you think an 80-1 scratch replacement winning the Kentucky Derby was? History. Doing poorly would only serve to tarnish it.
 
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A good friend who grew up in the horse racing business in Ocala told me this morning that based on the horse's behaviour after the race, he would be surprised if the horse passed the drug test.
I've grown up in the race horse business and been aroundit my whole life. It's not uncommon behavior for a race horse at all. Especially one that just ran a race.
 

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I've grown up in the race horse business and been aroundit my whole life. It's not uncommon behavior for a race horse at all. Especially one that just ran a race.

I read a good article that I can’t find now that quoted the owner. He said the outrider kept his horse safe and applauded him for the job he did keeping the horse and jockey under control. The horse was still in racing mode biting at anything in his way. Had the horse thrown the jockey or broken lose he could have hurt himself or others. Of course people that aren’t around horses think the outrider was too rough with the horse.

At Keeneland I’ve seen several horses euthanized on the track and in the paddock because of injury.
 

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I read a good article that I can’t find now that quoted the owner. He said the outrider kept his horse safe and applauded him for the job he did keeping the horse and jockey under control. The horse was still in racing mode biting at anything in his way. Had the horse thrown the jockey or broken lose he could have hurt himself or others. Of course people that aren’t around horses think the outrider was too rough with the horse.

At Keeneland I’ve seen several horses euthanized on the track and in the paddock because of injury.
I agree with that . Looked to me like the damn jockey could have just pulled his head around and off the outrider. Instead he's got a loose rein and he's just going for a trail ride out there.
 

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No, you're drunk. What do you think an 80-1 scratch replacement winning the Kentucky Derby was? History. Doing poorly would only serve to tarnish it.
Tarnish it? You can't take the Derby win away, even if he comes in dead last. What you do is go for the Triple Crown, which is what horse racing is supposed to be about. Rich Strike winning the Triple Crown would be the greatest story in the history of horse racing - you go for it. Hell, holding him out IMPLIES the owners think he may crap the bed, which also "tarnishes" it.

This is yet again about the "new" face of sports. Since when do KD winners skip the next race? It's a recent and ridiculous phenomena. It's about money, not "tarnishing" the horse (although I guess it amounts to the same). They are afraid of their multi-million dollar stud horse for the next 25 years breaking his leg. I guess they should just put him in bubble wrap now for the rest of his life, only taking him out to jerk him off into a cup.

For supporting this nonsense, it may be time to let you go, along with the dolts who actually liked your post.
 

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Tarnish it? You can't take the Derby win away, even if he comes in dead last. What you do is go for the Triple Crown, which is what horse racing is supposed to be about. Rich Strike winning the Triple Crown would be the greatest story in the history of horse racing - you go for it. Hell, holding him out IMPLIES the owners think he may crap the bed, which also "tarnishes" it.

This is yet again about the "new" face of sports. Since when do KD winners skip the next race? It's a recent and ridiculous phenomena. It's about money, not "tarnishing" the horse (although I guess it amounts to the same). They are afraid of their multi-million dollar stud horse for the next 25 years breaking his leg. I guess they should just put him in bubble wrap now for the rest of his life, only taking him out to jerk him off into a cup.

For supporting this nonsense, it may be time to let you go, along with the dolts who actually liked your post.

Ox so it turns out you don't like money? Of course this is partly about money.

Odds of the horse placing high in a shorter Preakness are not good, when everybody and his brother knows that a fast first pace will help Quick Strike.

Assume for the minute the owners care about the horse. The triple is not good for horses, even those who are used to quick turn around. Quick Strike is not.

If he sits this out he has a better chance to do something in the Belmont, the longest race of the three. It is possible that he can use his closing speed to pass horse tired out by a very long race.

NBC is pissed. Fox is happy. Welcome to the new world.

From what little I know about the situation, if I were the owner I'd do the same thing.

So I'm now a candidate to be let go. Please, for all that is holy, let me go. I like money. And yeah I also care a little about the horse.
 

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What do you guys think thoroughbred race horses are for? Why do they exist? To RUN. You put them in a race so we can all enjoy their incredible talent. It's a sport, it's exciting. If every thoroughbred race owner wrapped bubble wrap around their horse, it wouldn't be much of a sport. You don't yank a horse if they have a shot at the ultimate goal, the legendary Triple Crown.

Suddenly no one thinks Rich Strike has a shot in the Preakness? That horse is nasty, he'd kick their asses. Too bad he's the only on his own team with the testicles to actually race - his owners have been castrated.

This is like if Tom Brady won the NFC Championship game then decided to sit out the Super Bowl so he doesn't get hurt. It's absurd.
 

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Ox, I've known two owners. One family was big time and poured money into it. The other not so much. Did they expect a return on their money? Not really. They lost money. It was a challenge. It was fun. It was for bragging rights when a horse won at any track. Sure horse racing exists for our entertainment and for theirs. But they did care about their horses. And when the pot of gold landed in one of their laps, they started to think about money...lots of it. But in that case money and ending up in the black took a back seat and gave us probably the three best Triple Crown races in history, Affirmed vs Alydar. Alydar would have been a Triple Crown winner had he not been up against Affirmed.

So we can argue either way. I'd be willing to bet a fair hunk of change that if the Affirmed owners had Quick Strike, they would have passed on the Preakness, and not just because of the money.
 

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Also he might not have came back sound enough to run in the Preakness and they're keeping it hush
 

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What do you guys think thoroughbred race horses are for? Why do they exist? To RUN. You put them in a race so we can all enjoy their incredible talent. It's a sport, it's exciting. If every thoroughbred race owner wrapped bubble wrap around their horse, it wouldn't be much of a sport. You don't yank a horse if they have a shot at the ultimate goal, the legendary Triple Crown.

Suddenly no one thinks Rich Strike has a shot in the Preakness? That horse is nasty, he'd kick their asses. Too bad he's the only on his own team with the testicles to actually race - his owners have been castrated.

This is like if Tom Brady won the NFC Championship game then decided to sit out the Super Bowl so he doesn't get hurt. It's absurd.


I wish Rich Strike was going for the triple crown. I am also interested in the rationale for the decision. It sounds like they just want to keep the horse on a 5 week racing schedule for his long term health and safety. Some owners really do care about their horses. But, the guy that owns the horse gets to decide.
 

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