Bits & Pieces: Florida vs. Georgia

Sixtycycle · Nov 4, 2019

We confirmed we are still slightly competitive in the semi-competitive SEC East.
Practice material at ALOT of positions, coaching at a mediocre level (love Dan but the confusion and prep looked high school to PeeWee level at times) and game plan (Love Dan, but we don't seem to have a plan until we watch a half or Trask and Pitts make some incredible plays and we latch onto that as "our plan" and our kids are not the cream to effectively execute and we know our overall defense is uninspired less maybe 4 positions). Yes...I know I'm ringing that same ole bell right...? :deadhorse:

Be grateful for what we have and hope Mizz or FSSHoes don't come and catch us recalling this week vs playing football and oh yeah that Vandy doesn't come creepin as they did on Mizz....
And somehow that we stay top 10 ...

I feel I made the mistake of watching England vs South Africa rugby prior and I've never watched four seconds of rugby in my life) to our game and saw what true guts and total body sacrifice were like and that affected my reality with expectations that our boys to come out to rip GA Dawg Azzz. :spank:

I know these words do not compare with cover2's excellent synopsis (thank you by the way) and likely do not belong on such a well-spoken post....but I can state these are the words from my scattered brain my broken guts on this Monday after one of the most dysfunctional looking FL football teams in a loooong time.. :trainwreck:

..felt like a zookerly macrelwain plan...after all Dan wasn't replacing a legend....

Great forum and glad to be a part of it, post and that I got invited to a dudes trailer to fight :catfight:

a fellow Gator fan on here :rotfl:

GO GATORS...though... :clap:

oxrageous · Nov 4, 2019

After a year in the chat box, you finally make a post. Kudos.

Sixtycycle · Nov 4, 2019

!
And then it wasn't all that inspiring...may have been better off doing as granddaddy and the police always said and :whistle:

SeabeeGator · Nov 4, 2019

oxrageous said:
After a year in the chat box, you finally make a post. Kudos.

His use of the emojis was the most impressive part to me. Really went all out.

cover2 · Nov 4, 2019

Been going over some things from Saturday. Made a bulleted list:

Mullen and the O staff were pretty bad with the clock management as has been pointed out. Looked like we also had some disorganization where personnel were concerned. Didn't see, but heard he got into Gonzalez' hind end at one point. Things like this, however they come about, gives the impression of incompetence. It may be somewhat understandable, but it can never be acceptable.
Though we scored late to make it close, we were left with precious little time to work with and really needed a successful onside kick. Not sure what Dan was thinking, I'll get around to watching the presser, but it might make you think that there was a feeling the game was gone and it was important to keep the margin as is. I'd have a hard time believing this was in play, but again it could create an impression.
Even though we had our chances, UGA had better personnel than us and at the risk of continuing to beat the dead horse, they completely overwhelmed our OL. Their front made it easy for them to play soft in the secondary, force a quick throw, and keep the action in front of them. 21 yards rushing, even though we know how bad the OL is, will get your @ss beat against the better opponents. It just further reinforces the recruiting importance. I don't think it can be overstated.
Even though I know better, it was easy for me to get caught up in the 7-1 start. LSU was my sign and I brushed it off, already planning for a rematch after we did away with the Dawgs, who just happened to lose to Muschamp and the Cocks in a bit of a collapse at the end of their game. We've done some good things this year, but getting my hopes up always hurts a little harder when they crash down.
We're not there yet, but we've made strides.

TLB · Nov 4, 2019

Clock issues have been there since CDM arrived. At least every other game there has been a wtf? moment, we survive and forget about it. But they have always been there.

The personnel issues bewilder me. This late in year 2 that shouldn’t be happening. Not now. But this is more fixable, as it hasn’t been as noticeable until now - at least not to me.

Pace, and more importantly clock management I could lie to myself and say it will settle in as he get so his system settled with his players, when play calling is less herky-jerky on who is in and what we can execute effectively. But I know in my bones it’s a lie. CDM, doesn’t have that part of the game, and his players reflect it.

rogdochar · Nov 4, 2019

Zambo said:
This is the stuff I'll admit right now I don't understand....why is the first step backwards on a running play? Why aren't we firing off the line into the defenders?

True Zambo. The very first game, seeing Perine not producing like last year. Had he just lost speed or what? So, on replays I watched his feet.
I don't know how frequently he does this but I saw that his initial power-step was a jump straight up in the air about 4-6 inches. Then he stomped on the ground starting his forward drive.?? That wasted half-second is detrimental to his reaching top speed before hitting tacklers. You know it's similar to that bogus stallion leap WRs do in the NFL like "here comes my real speed now." It's useless bravado. We could all watch to see if he's still doing that. May have been just that first game and he's cleared that up?

g8tr76 · Nov 4, 2019

Like many of the previous assessments our O-line needs work and a bubble has burst. uga had the personnel and their 3rd down conversions were overwhelming to our defensive efficiency. Although we had a winning 4th quarter, I wonder how much of that was prevent D and reserve players. There certainly did not seem to be any urgency in the 4th, but judging by the play in the first half, there may have been no option with our players for "hurry up" with any success against these dawgs.

As a fan, there were 2 remarkable passes (whether gifts or not) that broke our back. Sometimes you need to beat the refs, but when I look at those receptions I think of the talent it took to have a chance at those big calls.

In my mind, the first half seemed like we were playing like we thought we should win. When that is the thought process against a team with better personnel, how can the outcome be expected to be different?

It ended with 2 wasted timeouts early and a 12 to 2 advantage on third down conversions. Amazingly, first downs were only a 20 to 18 advantage; most of those coming late.

Dan Mullen has these kids playing better than they have in years, but it seems we need two more strong recruiting classes (with OL) to be solidly competitive. 2020 seems to be a great start.

LongTooth · Nov 4, 2019

g8tr76 said:
Like many of the previous assessments our O-line needs work and a bubble has burst. uga had the personnel and their 3rd down conversions were overwhelming to our defensive efficiency. Although we had a winning 4th quarter, I wonder how much of that was prevent D and reserve players. There certainly did not seem to be any urgency in the 4th, but judging by the play in the first half, there may have been no option with our players for "hurry up" with any success against these dawgs.

As a fan, there were 2 remarkable passes (whether gifts or not) that broke our back. Sometimes you need to beat the refs, but when I look at those receptions I think of the talent it took to have a chance at those big calls.

In my mind, the first half seemed like we were playing like we thought we should win. When that is the thought process against a team with better personnel, how can the outcome be expected to be different?

It ended with 2 wasted timeouts early and a 12 to 2 advantage on third down conversions. Amazingly, first downs were only a 20 to 18 advantage; most of those coming late.

Dan Mullen has these kids playing better than they have in years, but it seems we need two more strong recruiting classes (with OL) to be solidly competitive. 2020 seems to be a great start.

we also need DTs, WRs, Safeties, and LBs pouring in here over the next two cycles along with more OL.

If we go on a poaching spree at FSU now we could be pleasantly surprised by where the class ends up, but Dan and the boys have to go on an absolute tear in the next two cycles or 2nd in the east or the conference is the ceiling.

gatormandan · Nov 4, 2019

LongTooth said:
but Dan and the boys better get the facilities built in the next two cycles or 2nd in the east or the conference is the ceiling because we know nobody can recruit without them.

FIFY

T REX · Nov 4, 2019

cover2 said:
I'll get around to watching the presser, but it might make you think that there was a feeling the game was gone and it was important to keep the margin as is.

I really hope not because that is straight up loser mentality. The lack of urgency was inexplicable. We were screaming at the TV to hurry up.

Swamp Donkey · Nov 4, 2019

SavannahGator said:
Well, the facilities are planned and the $$ have been appropriated. They won't be ready until what, 2022? I guess the high school prima donnas being recruited between now and then will just have to go somewhere else because they'll never use them.

Theyve been "planned" since 2015 and Im pretty sure we are going to need to shoot Fooley in the face and drag his carcus out of the building before it happens.

SeabeeGator · Nov 4, 2019

@cover2 I always love your stuff and respect your opinions but I can’t get on board with your thought about margin management. In the presser, Mullen addressed it by saying he wanted Kyle to execute the offense and get the first score because everything was meaningless if not. Maybe Kyle, he of 5 starts since middle school, isn’t comfortable yet with the hurry up? And realistically, Mullen’s plan almost worked - we had UGA in 3rd and 7 AND they passed with 2:45 left. That’s ideal for 90% of teams trying to catch up as the clock would’ve stopped and we’d be receiving the ball back with 2:30 to play. I don’t like that it was do or die at that point but I don’t think it’s too much to ask a DC paid $1.8M to come up with 1 third and long stop. I dunno - I just don’t get the “Mullen is a loser” vibe that’s being thrown around and is implied when people say he tried to pretty up the scoreboard. That’s what FSU did in 2012(?) when they scored a meaningless TD as time expired.

Swamp Donkey · Nov 4, 2019

g8tr76 said:
but it seems we need two more strong recruiting classes (with OL) to be solidly competitive. 2020 seems to be a great start.

Two more?

Are you.countimg Butters class that resulted in a pretty good receiver corps?

We havent had a good class since 2010.

SeabeeGator · Nov 4, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
Two more?

Are you.countimg Butters class that resulted in a pretty good receiver corps?

We havent had a good class since 2010.

#ButtersLover

cover2 · Nov 4, 2019

T REX said:
I really hope not because that is straight up loser mentality. The lack of urgency was inexplicable. We were screaming at the TV to hurry up.

SeabeeGator said:
@cover2 I always love your stuff and respect your opinions but I can’t get on board with your thought about margin management. In the presser, Mullen addressed it by saying he wanted Kyle to execute the offense and get the first score because everything was meaningless if not. Maybe Kyle, he of 5 starts since middle school, isn’t comfortable yet with the hurry up? And realistically, Mullen’s plan almost worked - we had UGA in 3rd and 7 AND they passed with 2:45 left. That’s ideal for 90% of teams trying to catch up as the clock would’ve stopped and we’d be receiving the ball back with 2:30 to play. I don’t like that it was do or die at that point but I don’t think it’s too much to ask a DC paid $1.8M to come up with 1 third and long stop. I dunno - I just don’t get the “Mullen is a loser” vibe that’s being thrown around and is implied when people say he tried to pretty up the scoreboard. That’s what FSU did in 2012(?) when they scored a meaningless TD as time expired.

Thanks for your kind words. Key words used was "might make you think" followed by "I'd have a hard time believing this was in play, but again it could create an impression." The finishing sequence was pretty odd to me. I haven't watched today's presser yet, but got around to watching the post game. Can't quote verbatim, but seems he talked about several instances of not having the correct personnel in the game for the play called, at least once in the final series. I don't think he's a loser; however, Saturday wasn't his best performance. I also think his answer of 7 points was how close he felt we were to UGA probably adds to the possibility of the aforementioned speculation. Being mad as hell after losing to a hated rival when your hopes were high sometimes lets you see things in a distorted lens or that aren't there at all.

SeabeeGator · Nov 4, 2019

cover2 said:
Thanks for your kind words. Key words used was "might make you think" followed by "I'd have a hard time believing this was in play, but again it could create an impression." The finishing sequence was pretty odd to me. I haven't watched today's presser yet, but got around to watching the post game. Can't quote verbatim, but seems he talked about several instances of not having the correct personnel in the game for the play called, at least once in the final series. I don't think he's a loser; however, Saturday wasn't his best performance. I also think his answer of 7 points was how close he felt we were to UGA probably adds to the possibility of the aforementioned speculation. Being mad as hell after losing to a hated rival when your hopes were high sometimes lets you see things in a distorted lens or that aren't there at all.

I caught the qualifiers but I wanted to address it because other folks on this board will skip that part and hang onto your other words. Already happened with our friend Donk.

I agree that it could’ve been better but I find it heartening that UGA played just about their best game, we did not, and we still were in it until the end. Overcoming that talent advantage is a real challenge. Not having the correct personnel is on the assistants and I think his explosion at Billy G late in the 3rd (I think) was indicative of his disappointment as well. I really wish he’d shake up some of the staff - there are some real underperformers on the team.

cover2 · Nov 4, 2019

SeabeeGator said:
I caught the qualifiers but I wanted to address it because other folks on this board will skip that part and hang onto your other words. Already happened with our friend Donk.

I agree that it could’ve been better but I find it heartening that UGA played just about their best game, we did not, and we still were in it until the end. Overcoming that talent advantage is a real challenge. Not having the correct personnel is on the assistants and I think his explosion at Billy G late in the 3rd (I think) was indicative of his disappointment as well. I really wish he’d shake up some of the staff - there are some real underperformers on the team.

UGA was prepared. Read where Kirby wanted to make sure Trask didn't have too long to scan the field and find one of our receivers, "Four of them, and I'm including the TE, will play on Sundays." I'd say he was successful in that regard. I doubt the run scared him at all. He beat the one-armed man in a wood chopping contest. We needed to be near perfect. We weren't. Who knows that there might be some attrition of the staff to go along with the usual player departures?

LongTooth · Nov 4, 2019

gatormandan said:
FIFY

sigh.

I’m really not trying to pay any attention to that **** show right now. Just more indigestion waiting to happen.

wake me when they break ground.....

DeltaGlamma · Nov 4, 2019

Attrition of staff suits me fine

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