Recruiting 2019 recruiting still Butterslike, #17 class

[BMF]

Man you guys are too damn worried about stars and rankings. Personally I don't give a rats a$$ if we have the #1 class as long as our coaching staff can actually develop players, something the last staff was completely inept at. If you can do that, you can turn 3* into 4* and 4* into 5*.

We're trending in the right direction, anyone who thinks Mullen should have a top 5 class in his second year given how crappy we've been since Urban left is nuts. It will take time, more than 1 year. He's made great strides with practically the same team that was an embarrassment last year.

Is this a "trust the coaches" post? Or a "stars don't matter" post? Or a "our coaches develop talent better than other staffs so don't worry" post? SMH

 

[BMF]

I don’t understand how Rivals’ ranking formula puts Ut ahead of UF. They have 1 less signee, 2 less 4* and a lower overall average rating. Arkansas has 27 and loaded up on 3*. If you go by average stars UF is higher than both. (And just behind Clempson.)

If this class finishes strong with some more physical DL and elite DB prospects it will upgrade the roster. Things are overall moving in the right direction, this recruiting class being the lagging piece so far.

To add to Law's response about tier's of 3*/4*:

A player like Steele is a 4-star, but he's on the cusp of being a 5-star. Getting him gets us a ton of points in their rankings system.

A player like Kimbrough is also a 4-star, but barely (he was recently bumped to a 4-star on rivals, and I think 247 still has him as a 3-star). He's ranked around 350 vs. Steele's ranking around #40. Big difference.

The 4-star range goes from around 30 to 350. That's why getting "top 250" kids is a big deal.

The 3-star range is huge. A kid can be ranked 360 vs. a Dorlus, who was ranked 1000. Who would you want?

I know, I know....Mullen can develop talent. But at the end of the day, I'd rather take the kid who's been evaluated at camps by (perceived) recruiting gurus than a kid like McWilliams or Stiner or Ancrum who were barely 3-stars and had offer lists that included most of the Sun Belt.

 

[SaltyGator]

Is this a "trust the coaches" post? Or a "stars don't matter" post? Or a "our coaches develop talent better than other staffs so don't worry" post? SMH

All of the above if you wish...it's a post about people being ridiculous in their expectations.

 

[BMF]

All of the above if you wish...it's a post about people being ridiculous in their expectations.

Expecting the University of Florida to finish with a top 10 class is not "being ridiculous". Period.

 

[SaltyGator]

Expecting the University of Florida to finish with a top 10 class is not "being ridiculous". Period.

No not at all, but it is given the past 10 years. That $hit doesn't just disappear overnight.

 

[gatormandan]

Expecting the University of Florida to finish with a top 10 class is not "being ridiculous". Period.

We should be top 5 on a regular basis.

 

[Tay Bang]

Yes. I really said I didn't care what happened on the field this year .

How does a Gator fan not care what happened on the field this year? This is what we live for. Each and every game is a gift. Life is too short. We only have so many seasons in our lifetimes and only so many games each season. That's why I said I had a lot of fun this year in spite of losing three games. Beating LSU and FSU is huge any year. Yeah, yeah, championships are awesome, but that's not happening in the immediate future. Reality. Kind of like how I never got to date Jennifer Anniston, Elizabeth Shue or Ashley Judd.

 

[BMF]

No not at all, but it is given the past 10 years. That $hit doesn't just disappear overnight.

Yeah. We're the only program that has had issues....

 

[SaltyGator]

Yeah. We're the only program that has had issues....

I'm sorry, we are the best school in the county. There is no other. Every other school sucks and should bow before our greatness. I can't believe these recruits just don't get that.

 

[UFHealthGator]

Yeah. We're the only program that has had issues....

No not at all, but it is given the past 10 years. That $hit doesn't just disappear overnight.

Except if you are Kirby, Jimbo, Herman, Cristobal... what did UGA, A&M, Texas or Oregon do lately?

Our staff has issues getting top end talent. You don't need results on the field to get that talent.

 

[Malaka]

To add to Law's response about tier's of 3*/4*:

A player like Steele is a 4-star, but he's on the cusp of being a 5-star. Getting him gets us a ton of points in their rankings system.

A player like Kimbrough is also a 4-star, but barely (he was recently bumped to a 4-star on rivals, and I think 247 still has him as a 3-star). He's ranked around 350 vs. Steele's ranking around #40. Big difference.

The 4-star range goes from around 30 to 350. That's why getting "top 250" kids is a big deal.

The 3-star range is huge. A kid can be ranked 360 vs. a Dorlus, who was ranked 1000. Who would you want?

I know, I know....Mullen can develop talent. But at the end of the day, I'd rather take the kid who's been evaluated at camps by (perceived) recruiting gurus than a kid like McWilliams or Stiner or Ancrum who were barely 3-stars and had offer lists that included most of the Sun Belt.

Everyone would rather have elite raw talent but kissing and moaning incessantly does nothing. I'm a pretty glass half empty guy typically but the crying about recruiting is over the top. Maybe I'm a bit jaded by rankings as well since we have had some really underperforming 5 stars in the past 20 something years. I'm not as concerned with them as I am getting 4 star talent at positions of need and even then coaching matters which we seem to now have.

Wasn't khalil mack like a 2 or 3 star? I never even heard of tarik Cohen or hill until the NFL. Nobody wants a bunch of 3 stars alone but its not a death sentence

 

[BMF]

I'm sorry, we are the best school in the county. There is no other. Every other school sucks and should bow before our greatness. I can't believe these recruits just don't get that.

What are you even posting in here for? This thread was specifically opened to express complaints, concerns, gripes....or to b*tch. Sounds like you should go join Gatorcountry because you're obviously whistling past the graveyard. If Mullen keeps signing #12 to #17 classes he'll either get fired within 5 years or we'll be living the UGA Mark Richt era, winning 8 to 10 games a year, win 1 SEC title in 15 years while watching UGA go to the playoffs and win SEC titles. But, yeah....we're the greatest!!!

 

[BMF]

Everyone would rather have elite raw talent but kissing and moaning incessantly does nothing. I'm a pretty glass half empty guy typically but the crying about recruiting is over the top. Maybe I'm a bit jaded by rankings as well since we have had some really underperforming 5 stars in the past 20 something years. I'm not as concerned with them as I am getting 4 star talent at positions of need and even then coaching matters which we seem to now have.

Wasn't khalil mack like a 2 or 3 star? I never even heard of tarik Cohen or hill until the NFL. Nobody wants a bunch of 3 stars alone but its not a death sentence

I get what you're saying...but the using the Khalil Mack comparison is like saying every walk-on is going to be the next Chris Doering. It's rare....very, very, very, very rare.

 

[Malaka]

I get what you're saying...but the using the Khalil Mack comparison is like saying every walk-on is going to be the next Chris Doering. It's rare....very, very, very, very rare.

No I acknowledge its rare but I dont think developing 3 stars into productive if not above average performers is as rare as some think. I also acknowledge you're not gonna be elite with more 3 stars than 4 stars but that 3 star athletes aren't just throw away players. I never thought we would be here but we are in a complete rebuild from perception to facilities to talent and coaching and we have the perfect guy to do it at the moment.

 

[BMF]

No I acknowledge its rare but I dont think developing 3 stars into productive if not above average performers is as rare as some think. I also acknowledge you're not gonna be elite with more 3 stars than 4 stars but that 3 star athletes aren't just throw away players. I never thought we would be here but we are in a complete rebuild from perception to facilities to talent and coaching and we have the perfect guy to do it at the moment.

Well, either way, Mullen needs to overhaul the staff. I'd like to see one change on both sides of the ball....as a start. Two is realistic. I know people will jump in here and say, 'They ALL gotta go!' That's not happening. We'll see how stubborn he is. But the fact is other dumpster fire schools aren't having the problems Mullen's staff is having. I agree 3-stars are fine....some 3-stars. But if we're counting on Mullen developing low ranked players why would UF be any better than Miss State was when he was there? Is that what we want? To be the Miss State of the SEC East? No. At the end of the day we need to be on par with our competition. Right now....we're not.

 

[Tay Bang]

I love all you fvkking excusaholics claiming there is no way we can recruit as well as Arky or Tinerc.

Same god damn excusathon as under butters after the same god damn results.

Mullinz cant win bc of the roster and he cant recruit bc he cant win, huh?

We beat the **** out of Tennerce. And I loved every minute of it. And we will continue to do beat the **** out of Tenercee. What more would I ask for if you are going to bring up comparisons to tinercee?

 

[Malaka]

Aren't we looking really good for 2020 and on at this point? I'm not a slave to recruiting but it seems as though I have heard we are starting off way ahead of where we did for 18 and 19

 

[BMF]

Aren't we looking really good for 2020 and on at this point? I'm not a slave to recruiting but it seems as though I have heard we are starting off way ahead of where we did for 18 and 19

Yes. We're doing much, much better in 2020. We need to keep that momentum. It's still way early though, as most teams only have a handful of commits (a school could land 1 commit and move up 10 spots or more this early in the process).

 

[Cozumel Gator]

I’d love to see one of you dumpers logically explain how UF suddenly belongs in the top ten of recruiting after a decade of crap and a one year coach with few recruiting relationships in Florida and Georgia. The Gators are no longer the Mighty Gators who snapped their fingers and rolled in top 5 classes. The ship has been run aground. This isn’t a one year fix.

I am with you Tay. Donkey wants to be a porn star without a resume. No one can be successful without years of hard work and proven reviews. You are correct with your assessment of the last decade, and those 10 years makes it hard to sell Florida.

 

[Gator Fever]

Aren't we looking really good for 2020 and on at this point? I'm not a slave to recruiting but it seems as though I have heard we are starting off way ahead of where we did for 18 and 19

I am hoping that FSU and Miami being crap for the next few years will help us take FL back some and get at least top 5 - 7 like classes again. Mullen does need to add a good recruiter to this staff however.

We won't be beating Georgia much at all with classes in the teens.

 

[Malaka]

I am hoping that FSU and Miami being crap for the next few years will help us take FL back some and get at least top 5 - 7 like classes again. Mullen does need to add a good recruiter to this staff however.

We won't be beating Georgia much at all with classes in the teens.

Agree with the first part. As far as beating Georgia? We had the game plan to beat them and the offense crapped the bed in the first half. Had we got the lead we needed we could have teed off on fromm.

We need depth for many reasons but had we stayed healthy and not lost Linton, Wilson and Henderson as well as Stewart we had the talent to win. We don't have the talent to survive that many losses. We are competitive with Georgia already even with the huge talent disparity. Defense has me worried for next year but we will have to wait and see who steps up