Athlon Ranks Next Year's QB's

[TheDouglas78]

McCarron shouldn't count as the receivers were wide open most times they ran a play action pass etc.

It's helps being surrounded by blue chip talent. But that is on how Saban operates.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

McElwains record is that in his best three years, he is a four loss coach with many blowouts and zero championships.

Dont tell me about Bammer. Plenty of coaches have watched Saban win at Bammer, Dooley, Muschimp, and dozens of others. None of them have EVER beaten their old boss.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Unfortunitely we are going to get guys like Franks, Trask, and Allen until we can show a consistent offense.
Why would a true passing quarterback want to come here if we haven't had a 3000 passer in a decade?
A 1000 yard receiver in 15 years?

This issue isn't a McElwain issue it's systematic. McElwain hasn't shown he is the answer, but we are going to get recruits like this until we can prove we can provide a stage for talent to showcase itself for the NFL on the offensive side of the ball. This goes beyond McElwain and Muschump, it goes to the group above them hiring these guys.

 

[deuce]

I forgot that Fuente has never groomed a quarterback to be a 1st round draft pick as a head coach, I guess what was just my imagination... right? That didn't happen? I guess his time at Memphis where he groomed Lynch to a first round pick. TRACK RECORD. Who has McElwain groomed as a Head Coach as a Freshman on?

No one is saying to trust to coaches, as your trying to change my argument to be. There is just a lack of data. Two vastly different arguments. But keep trying to change my argument to fit yours.

Head Coaches don't groom QB's, OC's and Qb coaches do that.........

 

[deuce]

Unfortunitely we are going to get guys like Franks, Trask, and Allen until we can show a consistent offense.
Why would a true passing quarterback want to come here if we haven't had a 3000 passer in a decade?
A 1000 yard receiver in 15 years?

This issue isn't a McElwain issue it's systematic. McElwain hasn't shown he is the answer, but we are going to get recruits like this until we can prove we can provide a stage for talent to showcase itself for the NFL on the offensive side of the ball. This goes beyond McElwain and Muschump, it goes to the group above them hiring these guys.

Maybe you should see these guys in real games before you relegate them to the scrap pile...... Talk about putting the wagon in front of the horse......

 

[gatormandan]

Head Coaches don't groom QB's, OC's and Qb coaches do that.........

Tell SOS that.

 

[deuce]

Tell SOS that.

So...... you think all Head Coaches are like Spurrier?

1 out of a 1000!

 

[Swamp Donkey]

So...... you think all Head Coaches are like Spurrier?

1 out of a 1000!

Most HBCs handle "their side" of the ball and have coordinators who are akin to copilots. Here Kirby or Mushchimp, hold the wheel for a bit while Saban takes a piss.

 

[Gator2222]

I struggle to find the words to describe my absolute disgust with this. Shyt show after shyt show and so much wasted talent.

If you were a parent or a HS coach, would you send your kid here?

Exactly. When Mac was hired he inherited that situation. He walked into a situation with little to no offensive talent and every recruit seeing Florida as a graveyard for offensive players. That's a tough situation to turn around. You have to produce offense and win games without offensive talent in order to convince recruits that they should come to Florida.

Winning the East in that situation is impressive. Yes, I know the East is down, but Tennessee with Dobbs couldn't do it. Mac is outcoaching people that have a huge edge in offensive players.

I'm baffled that more people don't see this.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

Exactly. When Mac was hired he inherited that situation. He walked into a situation with little to no offensive talent and every recruit seeing Florida as a graveyard for offensive players. That's a tough situation to turn around. You have to produce offense and win games without offensive talent in order to convince recruits that they should come to Florida.

Winning the East in that situation is impressive. Yes, I know the East is down, but Tennessee with Dobbs couldn't do it. Mac is outcoaching people that have a huge edge in offensive players.

I'm baffled that more people don't see this.

It's hard to see through triple digit offenses. At this point a QB recruit is operating on faith that the only thing that is missing is them.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I'm baffled that more people don't see this.

People see it.

We also see a current HBC who has made it worse with no end in site except damaged goods project QBs and WRs.

 

[gardnerwebbgator]

When the current HC trots out LDR as starter, that will show you what a great offensive mind he is......

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Exactly. When Mac was hired he inherited that situation. He walked into a situation with little to no offensive talent and every recruit seeing Florida as a graveyard for offensive players. That's a tough situation to turn around. You have to produce offense and win games without offensive talent in order to convince recruits that they should come to Florida.

Winning the East in that situation is impressive. Yes, I know the East is down, but Tennessee with Dobbs couldn't do it. Mac is outcoaching people that have a huge edge in offensive players.

I'm baffled that more people don't see this.

Disagree strongly. Mac has won the East with superior talent on Defense plain and simple ....There are 117 teams in CFB that have fielded better offenses than us both years he's coached. Show me even ONE other program that has under performed so badly on offense. Are you saying that there have not been ANY teams in the last 2 years that have had less offensive talent than UF.....I find that very hard to believe. Both UK and USCe looked like they should have been in a morgue last September yet both flew past us in offensive capability by the end of October....Jeez, Arky is the land of misfit 2 stars but Ole Bert manages to get their offenses ranked into the top 50-60 playing against better competition(SEC West)than we play...Seriously, Arky, you remember them the team that out coached Mac and spanked his ass while playing walkons on defense....

News flash, Muschamps defensive recruits are gone......

 

[Wuerffel4Pres]

Tools to be a very good to great SEC quarterback, just not a legend already by some the "experts" on the board. People act like he had already beat FSU, LSU, Alabama and won two national titles already after playing in 6 games.

Legend? No. But I will say this. Grier gave me (and my brother) HOPE. Something we hadn't had before in 5-6 years and that we haven't had since. The eye test: He looked like he could turn into a special quarterback. Good arm, quick decisive decision making, on field leadership qualities, good size, and could read the field well.

When you've been stuck in the dark ages offensively for what seems like an eternity, that HOPE was a beautiful thing.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Legend? No. But I will say this. Grier gave me (and my brother) HOPE. Something we hadn't had before in 5-6 years and that we haven't had since. The eye test: He looked like he could turn into a special quarterback. Good arm, quick decisive decision making, on field leadership qualities, good size, and could read the field well.

When you've been stuck in the dark ages offensively for what seems like an eternity, that HOPE was a beautiful thing.

It's no use with the "5 good quarters guys"....They're convinced that after 6 games there was enough film on WG to stop him dead in his tracks.....In other words he was done and wouldn't have been nearly as good as LDR, Treon, Driskel or Morningwood..... The reality is that he probably would have been somewhere between a good Doug Johnson and Rex had he been allowed to stay on here.....

 

[Gator2222]

It's no use with the "5 good quarters guys"....They're convinced that after 6 games there was enough film on WG to stop him dead in his tracks.....In other words he was done and wouldn't have been nearly as good as LDR, Treon, Driskel or Morningwood..... The reality is that he probably would have been somewhere between a good Doug Johnson and Rex had he been allowed to stay on here.....

What is this good Doug Johnson thing you're talking about?

 

[ThreatMatrix]

It's no use with the "5 good quarters guys"....They're convinced that after 6 games there was enough film on WG to stop him dead in his tracks.....In other words he was done and wouldn't have been nearly as good as LDR, Treon, Driskel or Morningwood..... The reality is that he probably would have been somewhere between a good Doug Johnson and Rex had he been allowed to stay on here.....

I just re-watched the Missouri game. Grier played well and made some damn fine throws. I saw balls dropped, routes not run properly, an Oline that broke down and when he had time to throw nobody open. It wasn't that Grier was Driskling it was that the rest of the team was Driskling. I think the "5 good quarters" tag should be dropped. But watch it yourself and draw your own conclusions. Grier's gonna be pretty good at his next stop.

 

[gatormandan]

Grier's gonna be pretty good at his next stop.

I agree.....thats if he doesnt repeat his stupidity.

 

[MJMGator]

What is this good Doug Johnson thing you're talking about?

We would sell our organs to have Doug Johnson back there right now.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

What is this good Doug Johnson thing you're talking about?

I know this may be hard for you to believe but we actually used to beat FSU sometimes....here's what it looked like.