Dabo would have been fired at Florida

[TheDouglas78]

Banger, I think part of you problem is we get this question with the last three hires (Mullen included). If time get rocky it's what about Dabo. Someone brought this conversation up in 2013 or 14 (might have been on the old board in 13). Then someone brought it up about Butters. This is really beating a dead horse. Is Clemson Florida, fck no. When Dabo started UF had three NC in less than a 15 year span and Clemson was looking for their first Conference Title in almost 20 years. Dabo recruited well and showed improvement in year 3. Clemson doesn't pull the quick trigger as Florida has had to in the last 20 years, because of their culture.

The answer is apples to oranges. I do not believe Dabo and his personality would fit the Florida culture. Just like neither Chump or Butters did, but he is by far a better coach and CEO. Mullen is more of a cultural fit. I also would say Dabo would have a shorter leash than Mullen because of that cultural/personality fit.

 

[NOLAGATOR]

Why? Because he uses jarred roux?

Every UF coach fired after Hall needed to be fired. Some were kept too long.

We did treat Zook wrong but he was not right.

 

[Tay Bang]

This is really beating a dead horse.

I though that was a Chatter feature, not a bug.

 

[soflagator]

I agree, but what if Dabo was at Florida? What would happen over his first 7 years?

We would complain at times and be thrilled at times. But in his actual 7 complete years of coaching, he was 71-24. I have no idea, nor does anyone, what that record would be here. But if we're going off of his W/L performance that can be proven, I can confidently say he's not getting pushed with that record, especially being 14-1 in that most recent year before losing in the NCG.

Is anyone really arguing that there weren't visible signs that he was building something at Clemson?

2009 Clemson 9–5 6–2 1st (Atlantic) W Music City 24
2010 Clemson 6–7 4–4 T–4th (Atlantic) L Meineke Car Care
2011 Clemson 10–4 6–2 1st (Atlantic) L Orange† 22 22
2012 Clemson 11–2 7–1 T–1st (Atlantic) W Chick-fil-A 9 11
2013 Clemson 11–2 7–1 2nd (Atlantic) W Orange† 7 8
2014 Clemson 10–3 6–2 2nd (Atlantic) W Russell Athletic 15 15
2015 Clemson 14–1 8–0 1st (Atlantic) W Orange†, L CFP NCG†

Or are we really comparing that to these...?

2002 Florida 8–5 6–2 2nd (Eastern) L Outback 24
2003 Florida 8–5 6–2 T–1st (Eastern) L Outback 25 24
2004 Florida 7–4[n 1] 4–4 3rd (Eastern) Peach[n 1]

2011 Florida 7–6 3–5 3rd (Eastern) W Gator
2012 Florida 11–2 7–1 T–1st (Eastern) L Sugar† 10 9
2013 Florida 4–8 3–5 5th (Eastern)
2014 Florida 6–5 4–4 3rd (Eastern) Birmingham[note

2015 Florida 10–4 7–2 1st (Eastern) L Citrus 25 25
2016 Florida 9–4 6–3 1st (Eastern) W Outback 13 14
2017 Florida** 3–4 3–3 (Eastern)

And we're not even getting into recruiting momentum, fraternity incidents, shark sex, death threats, or just being a general bulldog prick.

 

[Tay Bang]

Why? Because he uses jarred roux?

That struck nerve is still symptomatic?

 

[Tay Bang]

We would complain at times and be thrilled at times. But in his actual 7 complete years of coaching, he was 71-24. I have no idea, nor does anyone, what that record would be here. But if we're going off of his W/L performance that can be proven, I can confidently say he's not getting pushed with that record, especially being 14-1 in that most recent year before losing in the NCG.

Is anyone really arguing that there weren't visible signs that he was building something at Clemson?

2009 Clemson 9–5 6–2 1st (Atlantic) W Music City 24
2010 Clemson 6–7 4–4 T–4th (Atlantic) L Meineke Car Care
2011 Clemson 10–4 6–2 1st (Atlantic) L Orange† 22 22
2012 Clemson 11–2 7–1 T–1st (Atlantic) W Chick-fil-A 9 11
2013 Clemson 11–2 7–1 2nd (Atlantic) W Orange† 7 8
2014 Clemson 10–3 6–2 2nd (Atlantic) W Russell Athletic 15 15
2015 Clemson 14–1 8–0 1st (Atlantic) W Orange†, L CFP NCG†

Or are we really comparing that to these...?

2002 Florida 8–5 6–2 2nd (Eastern) L Outback 24
2003 Florida 8–5 6–2 T–1st (Eastern) L Outback 25 24
2004 Florida 7–4[n 1] 4–4 3rd (Eastern) Peach[n 1]

2011 Florida 7–6 3–5 3rd (Eastern) W Gator
2012 Florida 11–2 7–1 T–1st (Eastern) L Sugar† 10 9
2013 Florida 4–8 3–5 5th (Eastern)
2014 Florida 6–5 4–4 3rd (Eastern) Birmingham[note

2015 Florida 10–4 7–2 1st (Eastern) L Citrus 25 25
2016 Florida 9–4 6–3 1st (Eastern) W Outback 13 14
2017 Florida** 3–4 3–3 (Eastern)

And we're not even getting into recruiting momentum, fraternity incidents, shark sex, death threats, or just being a general bulldog prick.

I'm not really sure why Zooker, Chimp and Butters are a part of this discussion. It wasn't my intent. The Gator internet would have melted down after Dabo's third full season. He probably wouldn't have been fired in actuality.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

When were their upgraded athletic facilities completed?

they've been basically attacking it in waves since about 2010 or 2011.

they also decided that they had their head coach/oc but they needed a defensive coordinator, so they went out and spent $$$. I think the DC is the highest-paid one in the country. just bought him from Oklahoma.

 

[Tay Bang]

I think the DC is the highest-paid one in the country. just bought him from Oklahoma.

Two million. He's got to be offered a real head coaching job soon at double the pay.

 

[TheDouglas78]

I'm not really sure why Zooker, Chimp and Butters are a part of this discussion. It wasn't my intent. The Gator internet would have melted down after Dabo's third full season. He probably wouldn't have been fired in actuality.

The second season would have been more of the meltdown, the third season, especially after a conference title would have been a calming factor.

 

[Tay Bang]

The second season would have been more of the meltdown, the third season, especially after a conference title would have been a calming factor.

Think it would have calmed the pain of his third straight loss to The Cockz?

 

[TheDouglas78]

Think it would have calmed the pain of his third straight loss to The Cockz?

Confernce Championships especially a beat down over the #5 team in the nation tend to let you forgive some things. Especially with the direction pointed up. Orange bowl was bad, but at least they were in a BCS bowl.

 

[rogdochar]

He would have been fired after year 2 1/2, .

... you left out death threats.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Are we really taking JM's record through mid season? Come on, AR. He wasn't beating Mizzou, Usce or fsu last year. He needed miracles to avoid an 0-3 start. But to be clear, he didn't average 8+wins through 3 years because he wasn't here for 3 full years. Nor was there a chance he was winning 10 games. My point stands.

Not at all like you. Your suppositions don't make your point. Think about it. You are arguing that an 8+ winner would get 4 years and then saying a coach averaging 8+ doesn't count because he was fired before he could complete three? Really? We agree that McIlwain should have been fired. You just got carried away with your prose and, in saying it hadn't happened and wouldn't happen, over stated the situation.

 

[MertzJay26]

T-gator is right whe he says we’ve never fired a coach that didn’t deserve it. I mean look at where our last three coaches that we fired are:

Zook: fired at Illinois, current Special Teams coach

Muschamp: failing at S Car

Mac: from WR coach to non-power 5 HC

Clearly we’ve made massive mistakes firing these guys lol

 

[Tay Bang]

T-gator is right whe he says we’ve never fired a coach that didn’t deserve it. I mean look at where our last three coaches that we fired are:

Zook: fired at Illinois, current Special Teams coach

Muschamp: failing at S Car

Mac: from WR coach to non-power 5 HC

Clearly we’ve made massive mistakes firing these guys lol

Okay, but would DABO have been fired?

 

[BNAG8R]

Simple: forget Butters, Zook and Chimp. Would Dabo have either been fired in actuality from UF and would the message board universe have undergone a perpetual meltdown for the 7 years prior to a NC, calling for his head with every post?

You are comparing two completely different programs and situations.

Before Dabo was hired, Clemson had not won a conference title for 18 years. He won the division his first year, and the ACC conference championship in his 3rd year. When Dabo started, Clemson hadn’t finished in the AP Top 10 for 18 years. Clemson hadn’t been a relevant team for nearly 2 decades, and he showed progress early and sustained it.

That is a COMPLETELY different situation from Muschump, Butters, and even Mullen (although Mullen’s situation is closer). The memories of 2 national championships still existed even for Mullen’s opening (9 years earlier). We have (had) way more “value” as a national program, in the richest recruiting region in the country. If you want to compare apples to apples, let’s have the shytshow we’ve had for the past 9 years last another decade...that would be the fair “starting point”.

 

[jdh5484]

Dabo won an ACC championship in his 3rd full season and won 11 games his 4th season. To say he was ever in any real trouble at Clemson is crazy with their historic football results.

Clemson and SC take their rivalry very seriously. DABO was in trouble for losing to SC. Clemson lost 5 in a row from 2009-2013. And Spurrier had no issues pissing their fan base off.

The same way Bowden was in trouble when he lost 6 straight to UF in the 80s. BTW ... Bowden retire after losing another 6 straight.

Why do you think ARicht got fired? He couldn't beat the Gators!

 

[Tay Bang]

I continue to note a remarkable lack of response to the actual question posed in the Original Post.

 

[Sec14Gator]

Okay, try this. Of CDM wins 9 and 10 games the next two years and recruiting continues to be ranked between 12 to 15, will he be retained for a fourth yea

If that is where recruiting stays, I seriously hope not. But, to Tay’s point, he would be retained and those of us pointing out that all evidence shows you can’t win in the SEC this way will be called irational dumpers who can’t appreciate the improvement compared to chump and Mac. But those two fools are not the measuring stick of “the Gator standard”. Neither is 0-10-1.

Edit: I also don’t think your scenario is going to happen. We will be in the top 10 recruiting soon. Hopefully top 5 (more hope than belief though on that level).

 

[no1g8r]

The Gator internet would have melted down after Dabo's third full season. He probably wouldn't have been fired in actuality.

The Gator internet melts down after each loss, regardless of how the season is going. Dabo would have been fine with the powers that be here, who really don't care what the Gator internet thinks, as long as he was generally trending upwards.