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I know you don't really spend any time in the political forum, but I would encourage you to look in this thread:
COVID-19: I just did some quick calculations on death
While you are spot on that the risk to these kids and most of the coaches is negligible and shouldn't prevent us from playing, the evidence that 200,000 people have died from covid is pretty clear. It's just that 200,000 isn't that big of a number.
I know you don't really spend any time in the political forum, but I would encourage you to look in this thread:
COVID-19: I just did some quick calculations on death
While you are spot on that the risk to these kids and most of the coaches is negligible and shouldn't prevent us from playing, the evidence that 200,000 people have died from covid is pretty clear. It's just that 200,000 isn't that big of a number.
You need to read the other thread.As I’ve said before, one death, if it’s close to you, is a big deal. So I don’t mean to down play any number from that standpoint. But if we’re saying that the number being presented daily as a “big deal” isn’t really that big, then it also begs the question, “would these people intentionally raise if they could?”. To me, the answer is yes, and I’ve supported it. If you say otherwise, again, fine by me. But if they weren’t upping the total, they wouldn’t have said so.
What did you expect her to say?Dr. Ngozi Ezike Refutes Notion That Illinois is Over-counting COVID-19 Deaths
Ezike said that the state is being careful to make sure to weed out deaths where the patient had COVID-19, but died in a manner completely detached from the virus, such as gunshot wounds or motor vehicle crashes.
“There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status.
I'm not sure what you meanWhat did you expect her to say?
O don't care what Ezike tried to walk back, read what she said before the hammer fell. Maybe 200,000 died with covid (minus 1% false positives). Your insistence that covid fatalities is the only reliable covid datum is bizarre.Yes, of course there are errors. Even some that are missed. The question is whether it's a material amount.
It's pretty damn easy to look at the change in the total number of people dying and see that there's a significant increase in all of the places where covid outbreaks are and that the increase aligns pretty closely with the number of people dying of covid.
I'm not going to rehash the other thread I linked here, but if you have any other actual plausible explanation for the increase, I'd love to discuss it in that thread.
The evidence that they are reliable is pretty overwhelming.O don't care what Ezike tried to walk back, read what she said before the hammer fell. Maybe 200,000 died with covid (minus 1% false positives). Your insistence that covid fatalities is the only reliable covid datum is bizarre.
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You need to read the other thread.
She's likely talking the reporting data that goes to sites like worldometer, not what's on the death certificate which goes into a different database.
You've cited an example of an issue that would lead to additional covid deaths in the reporting data (from April when everything was still being figured out) while ignoring the fact that some deaths might be missed
And you aren't acknowledging that the simple way to figure out if we are erring on the side of too many or too few is to simply look and see if the number of people dying is increasing at a higher or lower rate than the reported numbers.
The evidence that they are reliable is pretty overwhelming.
There are tons of obvious issues with the case counts.
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You need to read the other thread.
She's likely talking the reporting data that goes to sites like worldometer, not what's on the death certificate which goes into a different database.
You've cited an example of an issue that would lead to additional covid deaths in the reporting data (from April when everything was still being figured out) while ignoring the fact that some deaths might be missed
And you aren't acknowledging that the simple way to figure out if we are erring on the side of too many or too few is to simply look and see if the number of people dying is increasing at a higher or lower rate than the reported numbers.
This is the same with any cause of death.So don’t tell me how an obese 55 year old with diabetes and heart disease is at risk, or worse, has died. That’s not Covid. That’s Covid taking people a few years early.
Please, tell me what caused a couple hundred thousand additional people to die this year.Are there other factors at play?
I spent most of my life analyzing data and can smell the stench of garbage data a mile away.
This is the same with any cause of death.
This is the same with any cause of death.
You wanna talk professional smack now?Please, tell me what caused a couple hundred thousand additional people to die this year.
And don't BS me with your data analysis skills. You were a Xilinx FAE.
Look, in NYC about 1,000 people die every week. At the peak of their covid outbreak, it was about 8,000 dying every week. Nothing close to that has ever happened before.People with AIDS who died because their weakened immune systems allowed pneumonia or something else to kill them were labeled as AIDS deaths, and rightly so. That’s what killed them. The kicker wasn’t the killer. The precondition was. Suddenly, we’ve reversed that.
I have a step mother in law that smoked for years. She can barely breathe under normal conditions, and had been told that Covid would seal things. She hasn’t had healthy lungs in 30+ years, but based on the criteria, she’d be called Covid. In any other time, she wouldn’t.
Look, in NYC about 1,000 people die every week. At the peak of their covid outbreak, it was about 8,000 dying every week. Nothing close to that has ever happened before.
Yes, almost all of those people had significant pre-existing conditions that would have killed them eventually, but they weren't going to die this year.
So if having covid caused them to die earlier than they would have if there was no covid, it seems like it makes sense to count it as covid.
No, I want you to come up with something better than "that's garbage, trust me I know a lot about data"You wanna talk professional smack now?