NCAA announces all athletes can make money

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It's more straightforward: I am a UF Booster. I own a business. If I wanted to pay a player to rep my company, the UF Admin has told its students that would violate their NIL rule. Whether I could use an intermediary or not, there is a substantial risk for the athlete of violating the rule.

Here is my point, even with other peoples' money, the UF Admin is being paternalistic, giving our athletes less chance to get $ than other schools (see our full price tuition payment difference from even f$u), and putting the school at a wholly unnecessary, voluntary competitive disadvantage. We aren't following any rule from the State, NCAA or SEC by limiting booseter involvement. We are simply choosing to attempt to limit our athletes more than other schools by eliminating the market most likely to pay for the NIL in the first place. It probably violates the recent SC ruling too.

I don’t disagree we’re inexplicably trying to make the path harder, which oddly enough is very unwoke of the Admin. That said, there will be plenty of ways to play this where the funds aren’t directly tied to a booster or his company. The athlete doesn’t care what he’s repping. He just wants to get paid. So if it’s a lightly affiliated company, with just enough distance between parties, there’s nothing Fuchs and Co can do about it. If they did, then they’d really be flirting with going against the SC’s ruling. My larger point is that if “White Goodman” can figure out a way to make it work in the first week, so will everyone else. If our boosters want to pay, they’ll pay. I see no scenario where the current UF leaders are comfortable being “the man” who prevents these poor exploited athletes from getting their due pay. It’s why I’m so puzzled but their elitist stand.
 

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their cheapness overrides any wokeness.

you're talking about people who self-reported a brownie sale.
 

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So once again Law is wrong and this playing out exactly as expected by many of us.
yeah I was quoting the supreme court. you fuchstrds are quoting Twitter.

Im not aware of the NCAA changing their positions since they argued in front of the Supreme Court. Perhaps the Oregon guy jist feels like rolling the dice knowing he will get his money now, likely prevail innthe Ninth Circuit and be long gone before the Supreme Court reverses, as they almost always do

Besides you're looking at the wrong way, we have Morgan & Morgan. imagine them showing the likeness of (enter name of often injured gator) have you been injured as much as this Gator? Morgan and Morgan will make them pay. For the people's money!
 
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It's more straightforward: I am a UF Booster. I own a business. If I wanted to pay a player to rep my company, the UF Admin has told its students that would violate their NIL rule. Whether I could use an intermediary or not, there is a substantial risk for the athlete of violating the rule.

Here is my point, even with other peoples' money, the UF Admin is being paternalistic, giving our athletes less chance to get $ than other schools (see our full price tuition payment difference from even f$u), and putting the school at a wholly unnecessary, voluntary competitive disadvantage. We aren't following any rule from the State, NCAA or SEC by limiting booseter involvement. We are simply choosing to attempt to limit our athletes more than other schools by eliminating the market most likely to pay for the NIL in the first place. It probably violates the recent SC ruling too.

Thank you for the info. Sadly we really don;t need to know anything b/c we already know that the UF ADMIN is:

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yeah I was quoting the supreme court. you fuchstrds are quoting Twitter.

And an article on ESPN. And a named booster himself who claims to have spoken to the um admin via his legal counsel, also named in the article.

If we’ve ever wanted miami to get the death penalty, I’d say this is our chance. The plan involves every single player.

Btw, do I still get a shirt?
 

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Again, here is the entire opinion: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-512_gfbh.pdf

Read it to your heart's desire.

Procedurally the trial court granted some of the players request. Both sides appealed. The court basically affirmed the court entirely.




The court rejected the student-athletes’ challenge to NCAA rules that limit athletic scholarships to the
full cost of attendance and that restrict compensation and
benefits unrelated to education. These may be price-fixing
agreements, but the court found them to be reasonable in
light of the possibility that “professional-level cash payments . . . could blur the distinction between college sports
and professional sports and thereby negatively affect consumer demand.” Ibid.
The court reached a different conclusion for caps on
education-related benefits—such as rules that limit scholarships for graduate or vocational school, payments for academic tutoring, or paid posteligibility internships. Id., at
1088. On no account, the court found, could such educationrelated benefits be “confused with a professional athlete’s
salary.” Id., at 1083. If anything, they “emphasize that the
recipients are students.” Ibid. Enjoining the NCAA’s restrictions on these forms of compensation alone, the court
concluded, would be substantially less restrictive than the
NCAA’s current rules and yet fully capable of preserving
consumer demand for college sports. Id., at 1088.
The court then entered an injunction reflecting its findings and conclusions. Nothing in the order precluded the
NCAA from continuing to fix compensation and benefits unrelated to education; limits on athletic scholarships, for example, remained untouched.
The court enjoined the NCAA
only from limiting education-related compensation or benefits that conferences and schools may provide to student athletes playing Division I football and basketball. App. to
Cite as: 594 U. S. ____ (2021) 13
Opinion of the Court
Pet. for Cert. in No. 20–512, p. 167a, ¶1. The court’s injunction further specified that the NCAA could continue to limit
cash awards for academic achievement—but only so long as
those limits are no lower than the cash awards allowed for
athletic achievement (currently $5,980 annually). Id., at
168a–169a, ¶5; Order Granting Motion for Clarification of
Injunction in No. 4:14–md–02541, ECF Doc. 1329, pp. 5–6
(ND Cal., Dec. 30, 2020). The court added that the NCAA
and its members were free to propose a definition of compensation or benefits “‘related to education.’” App. to Pet.
for Cert. in No. 20–512, at 168a, ¶4. And the court explained that the NCAA was free to regulate how conferences and schools provide education-related compensation
and benefits. Ibid. The court further emphasized that its
injunction applied only to the NCAA and multi-conference
agreements—thus allowing individual conferences (and the
schools that constitute them) to impose tighter restrictions
if they wish. Id., at 169a, ¶6. The district court’s injunction
issued in March 2019, and took effect in August 2020.
Both sides appealed.

Blah blah blah rule of reason or not. Applying the Rule of Reason and analysis of less restrictive alternatives etc.

The district court enjoined only restrictions on
education-related compensation or benefits “that may be
made available from conferences or schools.” App. to Pet.
for Cert. in No. 20–512, at 167a, ¶1 (emphasis added). Accordingly, as the student-athletes concede, the injunction
“does not stop the NCAA from continuing to prohibit compensation from” sneaker companies, auto dealerships, boosters, “or anyone else.” Brief for Respondents 47–48; see
also Brief for United States as Amicus Curiae 33. The
NCAA itself seems to understand this much. Following the
district court’s injunction, the organization adopted new
regulations specifying that only “a conference or institution” may fund post-eligibility internships. See Decl. of M.
Boyer in No. 4:14–md–02541, ECF Doc. 1302–2, p. 6 (ND
Cal., Sept. 22, 2020) (NCAA Bylaw 16.3.4(d)).
Even when it comes to internships offered by conferences
and schools, the district court left the NCAA considerable
flexibility. The court refused to enjoin NCAA rules prohibiting its members from providing compensation or benefits

unrelated to legitimate educational activities—thus leaving
the league room to police phony internships. As we’ve observed, the district court also allowed the NCAA to propose
(and enforce) rules defining what benefits do and do not relate to education. App. to Pet. for Cert. in No. 20–512, at
168a, ¶4. Accordingly, the NCAA may seek whatever limits on paid internships it thinks appropriate. And, again, the court stressed that individual conferences may restrict internships however they wish. Id., at 169a, ¶6. All these features underscore the modesty of the current decree.
Second, the NCAA attacks the district court’s ruling that
it may fix the aggregate limit on awards schools may give
for “academic or graduation” achievement no lower than its
aggregate limit on parallel athletic awards (currently
$5,980 per year). Id., at 168a–169a, ¶5; D. Ct. Op., at 1104.

Third, the NCAA contends that allowing schools to provide in-kind educational benefits will pose a problem. This
relief focuses on allowing schools to offer scholarships for
“graduate degrees” or “vocational school” and to pay for
things like “computers” and “tutoring.” App. to Pet. for
Cert. in No. 20–512, at 167a–168a, ¶2. But the NCAA fears
schools might exploit this authority to give student-athletes
“‘luxury cars’” “to get to class” and “other unnecessary or
inordinately valuable items” only “nominally” related to education. Brief for Petitioner in No. 20–512, at 48–49.
Again, however, this over-reads the injunction in ways we
have seen and need not belabor. Under the current decree,
the NCAA is free to forbid in-kind benefits unrelated to a
student’s actual education; nothing stops it from enforcing
a “no Lamborghini” rule. And, again, the district court invited the NCAA to specify and later enforce rules delineating which benefits it considers legitimately related to education. To the extent the NCAA believes meaningful
ambiguity really exists about the scope of its authority—
regarding internships, academic awards, in-kind benefits,
or anything else—it has been free to seek clarification from
the district court since the court issued its injunction three
years ago. The NCAA remains free to do so today. To date,
the NCAA has sought clarification only once—about the
precise amount at which it can cap academic awards—and
the question was quickly resolved. Before conjuring hypothetical concerns in this Court, we believe it best for the
NCAA to present any practically important question it has
in district court first.

Bla blah blah kicking NCAAs teeth in

Some will think the district court did not go far enough.
By permitting colleges and universities to offer enhanced
education-related benefits, its decision may encourage
scholastic achievement and allow student-athletes a measure of compensation more consistent with the value they
bring to their schools. Still, some will see this as a poor
substitute for fuller relief. At the same time, others will
think the district court went too far by undervaluing the
social benefits associated with amateur athletics. For our
part, though, we can only agree with the Ninth Circuit:
“‘The national debate about amateurism in college sports is
important. But our task as appellate judges is not to resolve
it. Nor could we. Our task is simply to review the district
court judgment through the appropriate lens of antitrust
law.’” 958 F. 3d, at 1265. That review persuades us the
district court acted within the law’s bounds.

The judgment is
Affirmed.





Nothing in the opinion keeps the NCAA from prohibiting boosters from paying athletes nor has the NCAA changed the policy.
 

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That was a really long way to write "I was wrong" and try explain why you were wrong and didn't actually read the NCAA interim rules that specifically address state law differences and does not prohibit booster payments.
JEESUS FUCHSING CHRIST YOU ARE A TARD.

THE NCAA SPECIFICALLY BANS BOOSTER PAYMENTS, PERIOD.

You can listen to the Supreme Fuchsing Court or Twitter. I really dont care.

You are exactly the kind of client Id charge triple the rate too.
 

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THE NCAA SPECIFICALLY BANS BOOSTER PAYMENTS, PERIOD..

Wow. You’re losing your shyt.

This entire thread is about allowing NIL payments, not direct booster cash handshakes or benefits for play. You’re being intentionally dense.

It’s ok you were completely wrong; provided the state law where the school is located doesn’t ban it, a booster can directly pay, or arrange for one of their companies to pay, a player for NIL rights. Well, except at UF.
 

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Again, here is the entire opinion: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-512_gfbh.pdf

Read it to your heart's desire.

NCAA’s current rules and yet fully capable of preserving
consumer demand for college sports. Id., at 1088.
The court then entered an injunction reflecting its findings and conclusions. Nothing in the order precluded the
NCAA from continuing to fix compensation and benefits unrelated to education; limits on athletic scholarships, for example, remained untouched.
The court enjoined the NCAA
only from limiting education-related compensation or benefits that conferences and schools may provide to student athletes playing Division I football and basketball. App. to
Cite as: 594 U. S. ____ (2021) 13
Opinion of the Court
Pet. for Cert. in No. 20–512, p. 167a, ¶1. The court’s injunction further specified that the NCAA could continue to limit
cash awards for academic achievement—but only so long as
those limits are no lower than the cash awards allowed for
athletic achievement (currently $5,980 annually). Id., at
168a–169a, ¶5; Order Granting Motion for Clarification of
Injunction in No. 4:14–md–02541, ECF Doc. 1329, pp. 5–6
(ND Cal., Dec. 30, 2020). The court added that the NCAA
and its members were free to propose a definition of compensation or benefits “‘related to education.’” App. to Pet.
for Cert. in No. 20–512, at 168a, ¶4. And the court explained that the NCAA was free to regulate how conferences and schools provide education-related compensation
and benefits. Ibid. The court further emphasized that its
injunction applied only to the NCAA and multi-conference
agreements—thus allowing individual conferences (and the
schools that constitute them) to impose tighter restrictions
if they wish. Id., at 169a, ¶6. The district court’s injunction
issued in March 2019, and took effect in August 2020.
Both sides appealed.

Blah blah blah rule of reason or not. Applying the Rule of Reason and analysis of less restrictive alternatives etc.

“does not stop the NCAA from continuing to prohibit compensation from” sneaker companies, auto dealerships, boosters, “or anyone else.” Brief for Respondents 47–48; see
also Brief for United States as Amicus Curiae 33. The
NCAA itself seems to understand this much. Following the
district court’s injunction, the organization adopted new
regulations specifying that only “a conference or institution” may fund post-eligibility internships. See Decl. of M.
Boyer in No. 4:14–md–02541, ECF Doc. 1302–2, p. 6 (ND
Cal., Sept. 22, 2020) (NCAA Bylaw 16.3.4(d)).
Even when it comes to internships offered by conferences
and schools, the district court left the NCAA considerable
flexibility. The court refused to enjoin NCAA rules prohibiting its members from providing compensation or benefits

unrelated to legitimate educational activities—thus leaving
the league room to police phony internships. As we’ve observed, the district court also allowed the NCAA to propose
(and enforce) rules defining what benefits do and do not relate to education. App. to Pet. for Cert. in No. 20–512, at
168a, ¶4. Accordingly, the NCAA may seek whatever limits on paid internships it thinks appropriate. And, again, the court stressed that individual conferences may restrict internships however they wish. Id., at 169a, ¶6. All these features underscore the modesty of the current decree.
Second, the NCAA attacks the district court’s ruling that
it may fix the aggregate limit on awards schools may give
for “academic or graduation” achievement no lower than its
aggregate limit on parallel athletic awards (currently
$5,980 per year). Id., at 168a–169a, ¶5; D. Ct. Op., at 1104.

Third, the NCAA contends that allowing schools to provide in-kind educational benefits will pose a problem. This
relief focuses on allowing schools to offer scholarships for
“graduate degrees” or “vocational school” and to pay for
things like “computers” and “tutoring.” App. to Pet. for
Cert. in No. 20–512, at 167a–168a, ¶2. But the NCAA fears
schools might exploit this authority to give student-athletes
“‘luxury cars’” “to get to class” and “other unnecessary or
inordinately valuable items” only “nominally” related to education. Brief for Petitioner in No. 20–512, at 48–49.
Again, however, this over-reads the injunction in ways we
have seen and need not belabor. Under the current decree,
the NCAA is free to forbid in-kind benefits unrelated to a
student’s actual education; nothing stops it from enforcing
a “no Lamborghini” rule. And, again, the district court invited the NCAA to specify and later enforce rules delineating which benefits it considers legitimately related to education. To the extent the NCAA believes meaningful
ambiguity really exists about the scope of its authority—
regarding internships, academic awards, in-kind benefits,
or anything else—it has been free to seek clarification from
the district court since the court issued its injunction three
years ago. The NCAA remains free to do so today. To date,
the NCAA has sought clarification only once—about the
precise amount at which it can cap academic awards—and
the question was quickly resolved. Before conjuring hypothetical concerns in this Court, we believe it best for the
NCAA to present any practically important question it has
in district court first.

Bla blah blah kicking NCAAs teeth in

Some will think the district court did not go far enough.
By permitting colleges and universities to offer enhanced
education-related benefits, its decision may encourage
scholastic achievement and allow student-athletes a measure of compensation more consistent with the value they
bring to their schools. Still, some will see this as a poor
substitute for fuller relief. At the same time, others will
think the district court went too far by undervaluing the
social benefits associated with amateur athletics. For our
part, though, we can only agree with the Ninth Circuit:
“‘The national debate about amateurism in college sports is
important. But our task as appellate judges is not to resolve
it. Nor could we. Our task is simply to review the district
court judgment through the appropriate lens of antitrust
law.’” 958 F. 3d, at 1265. That review persuades us the
district court acted within the law’s bounds.

The judgment is
Affirmed.





Nothing in the opinion keeps the NCAA from prohibiting boosters from paying athletes nor has the NCAA changed the policy.

I don’t own a sneaker company or dealership. I am, however, due to a wide range of legal coverage, loosely affiliated with a company that has decided to sponsor a 5* RB the moment he decides to play for my favorite team.

Another athlete has a great business idea and has launched his own company that I would like to invest in. I’m not giving him funds directly, but will purchase a debt or equity position in the company of which he’s an officer and highest paid employee. Part of the use of proceeds would be officer compensation.

Shall I keep going?

Outside of walking the whole thing back, I would love to hear how you plan to stop any of this.
 

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Of course athletes can get NIL payments. Who has debated this? Ive supported it all along. I want my EA Sports NCAA Football back.

They just cant get them from the school or boosters.
 

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Outside of walking the whole thing back, I would love to hear how you plan to stop any of this.
If you are a booster, you are banned.

As for planning on stopping it, Im sure the NCAA will police it at least as well as it currently polices free Cadillac Escalades for Alabama players.

But if youre going to cheat and give them money in a bag, of course, no one is likely to stop you. Well, except UF when they see a player driving a sports car and start asking how he paid for it. If you're going to do it in writing, you, well really UF, will lose. Assuming you are a booster.

I havent given money to the university for 9 years. Im contacting other players about wife beater deals as we speak.
 

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They just cant get them from the school or boosters.

If you are a booster, you are banned.

These are the definitive statements you keep making as to NIL payments not coming from boosters (or arranged by boosters in UF guidelines), yet only you and UF are saying as much.

The guy who wrote the Florida law, a UF sports law professor has also weighed in on this, but just keep doubling down without any cite to an actual NCAA rule that applies as you’ve suggested.
 

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These are the definitive statements you keep making as to NIL payments not coming from boosters (or arranged by boosters in UF guidelines), yet only you and UF are saying as much.

The guy who wrote the Florida law, a UF sports law professor has also weighed in on this, but just keep doubling down without any cite to an actual NCAA rule that applies as you’ve suggested.
Go fuchs yourself with a geoduck.

You find the new rule that suddenly allows boosters to pay students.

I don't work for free.
 

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If you are a booster, you are banned.

As for planning on stopping it, Im sure the NCAA will police it at least as well as it currently polices free Cadillac Escalades for Alabama players.

But if youre going to cheat and give them money in a bag, of course, no one is likely to stop you. Well, except UF when they see a player driving a sports car and start asking how he paid for it. If you're going to do it in writing, you, well really UF, will lose. Assuming you are a booster.

I havent given money to the university for 9 years. Im contacting other players about wife beater deals as we speak.

Again, a named booster has outed himself, his counsel and the miami admin in a national article where he clearly states he plans to pay players through an affiliated company, namely because there’s nothing they can legally do about it at this point. If they’re not shut down by morning, the something’s wrong. And they won’t be. No one is banned in the practical sense of the word, and everyone from the NCAA to the players themselves knows that. It’s simply a matter of protecting your approach.
 

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Guide to understanding the NCAA's new NIL rules

Can athletes enter into NIL agreements with boosters?

The NCAA does not have any rules that restrict boosters from paying athletes as long as those payments are not directly for their athletic performance or an inducement for recruiting purposes. Some new state laws address booster involvement in different ways, and some might need further interpretation before it's clear how involved boosters can be in paying athletes in those states.
 

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