Recruiting NSD 2022

[URGatorBait]

Having a difficult time processing these results. Even with Kelly’s negative press and Cristobal lacking a full staff on NSD, they still out-performed CBN. My two thoughts:

1) Napier’s message doesn’t translate well to the FBS level, or
2) NIL

I don't believe it's either of these.
What you are seeing is the anchor that Mullen dug in and how much harder it is for Napier to get it freed up than some of these other places. Don't underestimate how much Mullen fuched this place up.

Having said that, everything from here on out is all Napier. He has an uphill battle no doubt.

 

[lizardbreath]

Having a difficult time processing these results. Even with Kelly’s negative press and Cristobal lacking a full staff on NSD, they still out-performed CBN. My two thoughts:

1) Napier’s message doesn’t translate well to the FBS level, or
2) NIL

3) Or jumping to conclusions based on a ridiculously small sampling is perhaps a bit hasty?

 

[CGgater]

Having a difficult time processing these results. Even with Kelly’s negative press and Cristobal lacking a full staff on NSD, they still out-performed CBN. My two thoughts:

1) Napier’s message doesn’t translate well to the FBS level, or
2) NIL

The other 3 were also viewed as "big name" hires, whereas we had headlines looking more like, "Who is Billy Napier? Introducing UF's new HC." No clue if that actually was a factor, but I'm a pumper, so...

Edit: NIL is probably another factor.

 

[jdh5484]

3) Or jumping to conclusions based on a ridiculously small sampling is perhaps a bit hasty?

... Although I look forward to the day we can jump to positive conclusions based on a ridiculously small sampling size. [note sampling size means data ... not my brother's cousins uncles ex-wifes butlers adopted daughter says .. ]

 

[gingerlover]

Having a difficult time processing these results. Even with Kelly’s negative press and Cristobal lacking a full staff on NSD, they still out-performed CBN. My two thoughts:

1) Napier’s message doesn’t translate well to the FBS level, or
2) NIL

It could be that but also this was a different animal this year with ESD and NIL. Location of the recruits he had left to work with also played a factor. Lincoln Riley did nothing but raid Oklahoma recruits/transfers, Kelly was able to convince a few big targets to stay home and the difference between us and Miami may be the stars on 1 or 2 players.

If it’s like this next year we are in big trouble

 

[Loogis]

3) Or jumping to conclusions based on a ridiculously small sampling is perhaps a bit hasty?

Perhaps, but I think in a relative comparison we are probably more akin to Miami, in terms of branding and the level of drop off in production. I could argue we are still more attractive than UM, so I’m a bit surprised Miami’s class ranked higher, however slightly.

 

[Back Alley Gator]

He hasn't had a whole lot of time to develop relationships with these kids. Plus I think he's finding 5* kids to be quite a bit different from the 3*s he's used to dealing with in the Sun Belt.

I think its going to be a learning year for him. I hope for an 8 win season and a top 10 class next year though.

 

[Loogis]

It could be that but also this was a different animal this year with ESD and NIL. Location of the recruits he had left to work with also played a factor. Lincoln Riley did nothing but raid Oklahoma recruits/transfers, Kelly was able to convince a few big targets to stay home and the difference between us and Miami may be the stars on 1 or 2 players.

If it’s like this next year we are in big trouble

Exactly. And next year will be the most telling.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of this hire, and I would have still supported this hire even if I knew how NSD would shake out, but I’m beginning to think NIL is becoming a huge factor.

 

[oxrageous]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of this hire, and I would have still supported this hire even if I knew how NSD would shake out, but I’m beginning to think NIL is becoming a huge factor.

Next you'll tell us that you're starting to think icebergs may have become a huge factor to the Titanic.

 

[jdh5484]

Exactly. And next year will be the most telling.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of this hire, and I would have still supported this hire even if I knew how NSD would shake out, but I’m beginning to think NIL is becoming a huge factor.

NIL will be THE factor in two years... maybe even this coming ESD. The HBCs could change the entire dynamics with corporate backing. Also ... podunk U with a few wealthy benefactors. It's a lot cheaper to buy 5 All-stars than it is to build a stadium or new dorms.

 

[jdh5484]

Next you'll tell us that you're starting to think icebergs may have become a huge factor to the Titanic.

Be nice.

 

[lizardbreath]

Perhaps, but I think in a relative comparison we are probably more akin to Miami, in terms of branding and the level of drop off in production. I could argue we are still more attractive than UM, so I’m a bit surprised Miami’s class ranked higher, however slightly.

It could just be that Citizen (and many, many others) is an example of what we can expect in the era of no holds barred, pay for play CFB. Also, the fact that scUM has a depth of experience in buying players that would make a Turkish sailor blush might come into play as well.

 

[oxrageous]

Be nice.

The #1 recruit in the entire nation went to JACKSON STATE, for the love of Peter. I think that should have been a sledgehammer to anyone that the NIL has become a huge factor.

 

[OurProgramIsBroken]

He hasn't had a whole lot of time to develop relationships with these kids. Plus I think he's finding 5* kids to be quite a bit different from the 3*s he's used to dealing with in the Sun Belt.

I think its going to be a learning year for him. I hope for an 8 win season and a top 10 class next year though.

I think 8 wins, is a stretch

 

[Detroitgator]

Exactly. And next year will be the most telling.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of this hire, and I would have still supported this hire even if I knew how NSD would shake out, but I’m beginning to think NIL is becoming a huge factor.

Agreed... he better have a fitted jacket by then or there will be pandemonium!

 

[soflagator]

Having a difficult time processing these results. Even with Kelly’s negative press and Cristobal lacking a full staff on NSD, they still out-performed CBN. My two thoughts:

1) Napier’s message doesn’t translate well to the FBS level, or
2) NIL

It starting point more than anything else. How quickly we forget we were listed as one of the big winners on ESD. Teams rarely have monster days on both. Even uga was quiet Wednesday after a banner December. Just the way it is. Initial expectations were that we climb from the 70s to maybe 30s-40s range. We ended just outside the Top 20(or inside depending on service). I don’t count transfers personally in that number. Napier had a great first two months on the job. But comparing him to Lsu or even USC isn’t fair. They were in better position. The best comparison would be um and our classes are very similar. Both schools made major turnarounds.

 

[Detroitgator]

Well, at least no one, and I mean no one, seems to be talking about FSU... even our local paper put them down as a "loser" on NSD given where cornrows needs to be.

 

[Loogis]

Next you'll tell us that you're starting to think icebergs may have become a huge factor to the Titanic.

Well sure. That’s a good analogy. But you should also consider there were watchmen on the Titanic that were supposed to be watching for icebergs(NIL), and a captain(coach/admin) who basically ignored warnings and said “full speed ahead.” So yeah, I like your comparison.

Back to my original post. Compared to other schools, especially UM, I thought we should have done better. Maybe it’s the slow read on CBN’s message, or we missed something with NIL.

 

[Loogis]

The best comparison would be um and our classes are very similar. Both schools made major turnarounds.

But I thought we had our proverbial fecal matter together better than Cristobal, as far as message and a coaching staff.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Nice thread. You go from dissing me for observing that this isn't a great class, to an intense discussion of why this isn't a great class with no sense of irony. I guess the scintillating discussion of fashion that intervened allowed you to clear your minds. It’s hard to believe that this is the site where the bright Gator fans post.