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WobbleGator;n165968 said:Montana had the better cast but I would still consider him to be better than Brady.
GatorJB;n165967 said:When you have less than a minute to go in the game with one timeout and need a touchdown to win, you don't waste a play by spiking the ball. If they spiked the ball, then they only have 2 plays to try to score instead of 3, and they had enough time for 3 plays. Also, if Seattle scores on the play or if it is an incompletion, no one thinks it's a bad play call. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Everyone thinks this was a terrible call because they assume Lynch would have run it in for the score on that 2nd down, but in reality no one knows that for sure. The more I think about it the more I understand the call, even though I personally would have given it to Lynch in that situation. If they run the ball and don't get it, then they are forced to use their last timeout. Then on 3rd down, if they run it and don't get it they don't have enough time to run a play on 4th, so 3rd down is a must pass situation. The way that they were lined up on 2nd down, they still had a run or pass threat which makes the playcall less predictable. I personally thought they were going to run the read option on 2nd down and the pass caught me off gaurd, but obviously not the Pats' D. Anyways, if that ball was an incompletion instead of a INT, then the clock stops, they still have a run or pass threat on 3rd down, and with a timeout they have enough time to run another play on 4th.
Also, give credit to Bilichik for not calling a time out at the 0:54 mark. I thought he would have called a timeout there to give Brady time to score if Seattle scored, but he showed complete confidence in his defense to stop them. If Belichik calls that timeout, then Seattle probably runs the ball on second down and maybe every down until they pound it in. I suspect Seattle expected New England to call the timeout, and when they didn't then Seattle thought they needed to pass to conserve time. That's why they took up so much time between first and second down imo.
I Have No Friends :(;n166025 said:I have Brady slightly over Montana, but honestly it's like rating them 1a and 1b. I think a legitimate case for either could be argued until the end of time.
T REX;n166051 said:Agreed...but how many HOF'ers did each play with? Six Super Bowls? Crazy.
BTW, I'm a huge Montana fan. Just thought it was an interesting discussion.
Ray Finkle;n165667 said:Hahahahahaha **** Lynch, **** Sherman, and **** the ****ing Seahawks! Thank you Patriots
FireFoley;n166039 said:The game management aspect has nothing to do with results. If that pass had been completed for a TD, it still would have been the worst call in the history of the super bowl.
FireFoley;n166262 said:Risk vs. Reward is how I look at game management in any situation. Not an apples vs apples comparison but here is an example. Basketball game. You lead by 1 point and are at the free throw line for one more free throw. 1 second on the clock and neither team has any timeouts. Do you instruct your player to miss the free throw on purpose and correctly of course as it must touch the rim, and force the other team to heave it 90+ feet to win, or do you hope it is made to go up 2, allow the other team to toss the ball down the court and perhaps get a closer look for a two to tie or a 3 to win? In my opinion the correct game management is to correctly miss the free throw and let them heave it 90+ feet, as opposed to giving them a few seconds to execute a pass to get them within half that distance. We can agree to disagree when it comes to game management.
BostonGator84;n166983 said:Thinking out loud here...
So with 20 seconds and one timeout left, you want to maximize your chances of getting in the end zone. It's 2nd and goal from the 1.
Option A: Run Lynch, if it doesn't work, call timeout. Run Lynch again. Doubtful there would be time for a 3rd attempt.
Option B: Run Lynch, if it doesn't work, call timeout. Pass into the end zone. Run Lynch on 4th down with the game on the line.
Option C: Pass into the end zone. Run Lynch, call time out. Run Lynch on 4th down with the game on the line.
Option D: Pass into the end zone. Run Lynch, call time out. Pass into the end zone with game on the line.
GatorJB;n166199 said:Like I said earlier, I would have run the ball if I was Carroll, but proper game management absolutley must consider potential results of plays. Also, nobody would be saying it was a bad play or "worst play in the history of the superbowl" if it were a TD or even an incompletion for that matter.
Captain Sasquatch;n166987 said:In my mind, this was easily the wisest course of action. But you wouldn't necessarily have to run Lynch on 4th down, you could more or less run whatever play you felt like running at that point.
PastyStoole;n167029 said:Not to get off topic but what did you guys think of the commercials? I liked the Pizza Hut commercial where the lady tries to call 911 to order a pizza, half pepperoni, half mushroom. The guy keeps trying to tell her that's she's called 911, not Pizza Hut, but no, she's determined. She wants her Pizza! Hilarious. Not sure why I was the only one laughing at the Super Bowl party, though.
BostonGator84;n166983 said:Thinking out loud here...
Option A: Run Lynch, if it doesn't work, call timeout. Run Lynch again. Doubtful there would be time for a 3rd attempt.
Option B: Run Lynch, if it doesn't work, call timeout. Pass into the end zone. Run Lynch on 4th down with the game on the line.
Option C: Pass into the end zone. Run Lynch, call time out. Run Lynch on 4th down with the game on the line.
Option D: Pass into the end zone. Run Lynch, call time out. Pass into the end zone with game on the line.