Top 10 NBA Small Forwards Alltime

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And how did LeBron not? Have you seen the teams that he has taken to the finals? He's gone six times! And only in 2012 do you have a good supporting cast.

The major pieces to the Bulls were organically home grown and melded except for Rodman. The 2012 Heat were synthetically arranged by LeBron. You could have thrown two high school scrubs in the lineup with that Big Three and competed for the East title.

 

[GatorJ]

The major pieces to the Bulls were organically home grown and melded except for Rodman. The 2012 Heat were synthetically arranged by LeBron. You could have thrown two high school scrubs in the lineup with that Big Three and competed for the East title.

What about his original Cavaliers? Or the Cavaliers last year?

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

And how did LeBron not? Have you seen the teams that he has taken to the finals? He's gone six times! And only in 2012 do you have a good supporting cast.

LeBron only took 1 really bad team to the finals. In 2007 he took a bad team in a historically bad eastern conference to the finals where they got swept. Then the Celtics put together their big 3 and LeBron missed the finals for 3 straight seasons, in 2 of which he didn't even make the conference finals. So realizing that he does in fact need a great supporting cast, he went to Miami where he, Wade and Bosh all took less than max money in order to play together and get pieces like Mike Miller (and subsequently guys like Battier and Ray Allen). Those Miami teams were loaded. You dissed Bosh a bit earlier, but he's a borderline hall of famer and the perfect PF to pair with LeBron since LeBron can't shoot and needs to be paired with big guys that can score outside of the paint.

That first year in Miami, LeBron wasn't even the best player on his team, Wade was. It was never more clear than in the finals that year when LeBron cowered under the pressure only to be ripped into by Wade for playing like sh1t. Miami's roster was way more talented than Dallas's that year. Guys like Magic, Bird and Jordan never got dressed down by a teammate like that in a huge game.

So he finally wins a couple of rings, Wade starts to look like maybe he has too many miles on him and they lose in the finals in 2014 to a team whose strategy is simply to make LeBron actually shoot the basketball. What does LeBron do? He dumps those guys to go back to a team that had received 3 consecutive #1 picks. He basically forces them to trade Wiggins for Love because he want's a roster that is stacked and ready to win immediately. Sure, Love got injured and missed almost all of the playoffs, but Kyrie is a great player and it's really hard to say that Cavs roster last year was less talented than the Hawks team they beat in the conference finals.

You point to the Cavs being about 40 games worse when he left and then 20 games better when he came back. It's tough to get a good comparison with Bird because he didn't bail on the Celtics at his peak, but he did improve their record by 32 wins as a rookie.

 

[GatorJ]

LeBron only took 1 really bad team to the finals. In 2007 he took a bad team in a historically bad eastern conference to the finals where they got swept. Then the Celtics put together their big 3 and LeBron missed the finals for 3 straight seasons, in 2 of which he didn't even make the conference finals. So realizing that he does in fact need a great supporting cast, he went to Miami where he, Wade and Bosh all took less than max money in order to play together and get pieces like Mike Miller (and subsequently guys like Battier and Ray Allen). Those Miami teams were loaded. You dissed Bosh a bit earlier, but he's a borderline hall of famer and the perfect PF to pair with LeBron since LeBron can't shoot and needs to be paired with big guys that can score outside of the paint.

That first year in Miami, LeBron wasn't even the best player on his team, Wade was. It was never more clear than in the finals that year when LeBron cowered under the pressure only to be ripped into by Wade for playing like sh1t. Miami's roster was way more talented than Dallas's that year. Guys like Magic, Bird and Jordan never got dressed down by a teammate like that in a huge game.

So he finally wins a couple of rings, Wade starts to look like maybe he has too many miles on him and they lose in the finals in 2014 to a team whose strategy is simply to make LeBron actually shoot the basketball. What does LeBron do? He dumps those guys to go back to a team that had received 3 consecutive #1 picks. He basically forces them to trade Wiggins for Love because he want's a roster that is stacked and ready to win immediately. Sure, Love got injured and missed almost all of the playoffs, but Kyrie is a great player and it's really hard to say that Cavs roster last year was less talented than the Hawks team they beat in the conference finals.

You point to the Cavs being about 40 games worse when he left and then 20 games better when he came back. It's tough to get a good comparison with Bird because he didn't bail on the Celtics at his peak, but he did improve their record by 32 wins as a rookie.

Irving was out multiple games in the conference finals and almost all the games in the finals.

 

[2ndAmend]

13 hours left for t. What will he do?

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[GatorJ]

Bird missed the majority of 88-89 and they dropped from 57 wins to 42 wins. That's probably the closest comparison you'll get.

 

[oxrageous]

Bird missed the majority of 88-89 and they dropped from 57 wins to 42 wins. That's probably the closest comparison you'll get.

You mean McHale didn't carry the team?

 

[t-gator]

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t-gator will be the 3rd knucklehead to be included in my IGNORE list and formal complaint will be filled against him.

It was was joke man. Because connie is a girl name. I couldn't respond when I read that and then forgot about it dude. Don't be mad at me

 

[-THE DUDE-]

The question isn't whether Bird could play with today's players, it's whether today's candy asses could play with them.

I would love to see how Lebron would have handled playing the Pistons like Jordan and Bird had to do...today's game isn't even remotely close to the physicality of the NBA of those years. NBA basketball is unwatchable anymore

 

[WobbleGator]

Scottie Pippen > Lebron.

 

[GatorJ]

Scottie Pippen > Lebron.

 

[78]

Scottie Pippen > Lebron.

Pippen was:

1) A better passer
2) Better shooter
3) Definitely a better defender
4) More graceful
5) Had more hair