Lebron passes MJ to become #1 post season scorer

[maheo30]

The game is too different, would Lebron be the same player if he played in the rules of Jordan's time. Would Jordan be better/the same in this era of rules?

This is an excellent point that goes in MJs favor. In his day, players could grab jerseys, arms, hand check...ect. Derek Harper would physically abuse people. Remember that amazing pacers/bulls series that went 7? Reggie Miller had a hard time using his screens because Pippen literally pulled his jersey. That's what MJ went against. Lebron hasn't had o deal with any of that. Imagine MJ with today's rules. Wow!!!

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

that guy takes teams that win nothing and turns them into NBA finals teams. He's done it twice in Cleveland.

This is exaggerated. He took a bad Cleveland team to the finals in a horrible eastern conference and got swept in the finals. Then when a good team was assembled in the east and he realized he couldn't beat them, he bailed and went to Miami. His costars there got too old so he left again for a better situation.

Again, winning two against the warriors in the 2015 finals without love and kyrie is the most impressive thing on his resume.

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

This is an excellent point that goes in MJs favor. In his day, players could grab jerseys, arms, hand check...ect. Derek Harper would physically abuse people. Remember that amazing pacers/bulls series that went 7? Reggie Miller had a hard time using his screens because Pippen literally pulled his jersey. That's what MJ went against. Lebron hasn't had o deal with any of that. Imagine MJ with today's rules. Wow!!!

It's a different game today. MJ didn't have to deal with zone defense either.

 

[maheo30]

It's a different game today. MJ didn't have to deal with zone defense either.

Neither did Lebron for much of his career. While the rules were changed about 15 years ago, the use of zone didn't become prevalent until about 5 years ago. The mavs in 2011 were the first to really put the new rules to good use. And yes he did. Jordan went against real zone for 3 years in college, not the restricted NBA version.

 

[GatorJ]

This is exaggerated. He took a bad Cleveland team to the finals in a horrible eastern conference and got swept in the finals. Then when a good team was assembled in the east and he realized he couldn't beat them, he bailed and went to Miami. His costars there got too old so he left again for a better situation.

Again, winning two against the warriors in the 2015 finals without love and kyrie is the most impressive thing on his resume.

What? He left Cleveland they dropped from 61 wins to 19 wins. 19 wins. Think about that. Who has ever had that kind of impact with their team?

He comes back to Cleveland with no supporting cast and jumps up from 33 wins to 53 wins in the new leads down to the finals in his second year back. Then he wins the whole thing in his third game with Cleveland. The first ever for them.

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

with no supporting cast

They had the highest payroll in the league and three all stars!

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

He left Cleveland

along with shaq and zydrunas

 

[oxrageous]

 

[Gator by the Sea]

How many games did it take the big flopper, Lebron, to pass Jordan? How many games did it take Jordan to set the record? I don't know the exact number off-hand, but I believe if you look it up that you'll find it took MJ far fewer games to amass those points. No comparison!

 

[TheDouglas78]

He comes back to Cleveland with no supporting cast and jumps up from 33 wins to 53 wins in the new leads down to the finals in his second year back. Then he wins the whole thing in his third game with Cleveland. The first ever for them.

Didn't he come back the same year they picked up Love and Irving was entering his second year? So he also came back to an improved team outside of him than their previous year.

 

[GatorJ]

How many games did it take the big flopper, Lebron, to pass Jordan? How many games did it take Jordan to set the record? I don't know the exact number off-hand, but I believe if you look it up that you'll find it took MJ far fewer games to amass those points. No comparison!

212 to 179. MJ has always been mainly a scorer. Lebron is mainly a facilitator.

 

[oxrageous]

212 to 179. MJ has always been mainly a scorer. Lebron is mainly a flopper.

FIFY

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Ive never seen anyone with as much of a talent and flair for "the troll" than Ox. He truly is a master.

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

The Eastern Conference has been an abomination for YEARS. Let's see Baby Bron Bron put up those kinda numbers against Ewing's Knicks or Barkley's Suns or Malone's Jazz.

 

[GatorJ]

The Eastern Conference has been an abomination for YEARS. Let's see Baby Bron Bron put up those kinda numbers against Ewing's Knicks or Barkley's Suns or Malone's Jazz.

For sure it's a different league now.

 

[MJMGator]

Every time Ox posts something about Leflop, t sheds a tear.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

The Eastern Conference has been an abomination for YEARS. Let's see Baby Bron Bron put up those kinda numbers against Ewing's Knicks or Barkley's Suns or Malone's Jazz.

You're not even old enough to really remember those teams. I definitely liked the NBA infinitely more back then but some of you suffer from an incurable case of "when i was a kid we walked to school barefoot in snow, uphill... both ways!" disease. :rolleyes:

 

[MJMGator]

You're not even old enough to really remember those teams. I definitely liked the NBA infinitely more back then but some of you suffer from an incurable case of "when i was a kid we walked to school barefoot in snow, uphill... both ways!" disease. :rolleyes:

Honestly, the NBA is simply unwatchable for me these days. The best athletes to date and they're mostly a bunch of fundamentally unsound pussies.

I know, I know...ldman:

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Honestly, the NBA is simply unwatchable for me these days. The best athletes to date and they're mostly a bunch of fundamentally unsound pussies.

I know, I know...ldman:

Nah bro, I agree. But I also acknowledge that you have to play the game thats in front of you. The refs and league owners/managers changed the game, not the players. I'm also old enough to remember that despite all the Jordan love (myself included), he also got away with basically anything he wanted. Dude travelled as much as anyone and would go to the line for calls no one else could get. It's natural to remember only the good and not the bad about things that are in the distant past so I get it. At any rate, I give the dude credit for being the best there is in the game today, thats all.

 

[MJMGator]

Nah bro, I agree. But I also acknowledge that you have to play the game thats in front of you. The refs and league owners/managers changed the game, not the players. I'm also old enough to remember that despite all the Jordan love (myself included), he also got away with basically anything he wanted. Dude travelled as much as anyone and would go to the line for calls no one else could get. It's natural to remember only the good and not the bad about things that are in the distant past so I get it. At any rate, I give the dude credit for being the best there is in the game today, thats all.

I'm not a huge MJ guy. I lost interest when the Magic/Bird era ended.