Soooo...what about the receivers?

[maheo30]

Winston is still the best quarterback in college football. Benjamin did not "bail" him out. He's the most accurate passer out there. He's not perfect, but the ball goes exactly where he wants it to go the vast majority of time with the right amount of speed for the occasion. . I think you've seen a drop off due to the receivers and him not yet being on the same page, except for Greene. Winston throws to a spot, he expects his receivers to be there, it hasn't happened yet this year. I think that will change with a former gator commit, Lane, and the rumored "big flip" to Florida, Rudolph becoming more in synch with Winston. Mariota gets excused for his poor offensive line, yet Winston hasn't had good protection going back to the National Championship game, but he still figures out a way to win. No, you're dreaming if you think that any receiver "bails" out the game's most accurate passer. His throws are dictated by who he's throwing to. For example, the same play, an inside slant, that as the winning TD in the National Championship game was run last week against Wake, but Winston didn't throw it high, he threw it where Greene could catch it, not Benjamin. If you don't realize that Winston is still the best player in college football, I don't think you are being objective. Mariota? He chokes at home against a 24 point underdog and hasn't even won a division title in his career. Gurley? He's a great player, he's not as dominant a player as Winston, or Georgia wouldn't have lost against South Carolina. No, with the game on the line, there is no one to compare with Winston, he never fails to rise to the occasion. He did 'driskel' against N.C. State late in the game, but made up for it on the next drive.

Winston is an outstanding QB, but he isn't in my top 3 right now for many reasons.

 

[divits]

You nailed it with this... :hehehe:

Yeah, pretty much. And now apparently pointing out that our receivers are not that great is somehow considered as trying to deflect from Driskel's play even though the second sentence of my original post says he should be benched. :rolleyes:

My main point has always been that we are just not a very good team and all of the talent we've constantly been hearing about at just about every position is just not there. We have a "team" failure that seems to be endemic and not just specific to Driskel. I don't think that's going to change until there is a coaching change.

 

[soflagator]

Yeah, pretty much. And now apparently pointing out that our receivers are not that great is somehow considered as trying to deflect from Driskel's play even though the second sentence of my original post says he should be benched. :rolleyes:

My main point has always been that we are just not a very good team and all of the talent we've constantly been hearing about at just about every position is just not there. We have a "team" failure that seems to be endemic and not just specific to Driskel. I don't think that's going to change until there is a coaching change.

Just had this discussion at lunch. How many players, how many OCs, how many offensive systems before we finally accept that it's not going to change under WM?

Few things are certain, but I can guarantee you that every single player--including Driskel-- would be performing better under a different regime. The culture has become so toxic that until it is changed, we will almost certainly see the same results.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Just had this discussion at lunch. How many players, how many OCs, how many offensive systems before we finally accept that it's not going to change under WM?

Few things are certain, but I can guarantee you that every single player--including Driskel-- would be performing better under a different regime. The culture has become so toxic that until it is changed, we will almost certainly see the same results.

I look at it as a failure of lack of direction. Muschamp had a clear message of what he wanted on offense and defense. He picked up coordinators who fit that vision, but we didn't have the personel to fit that vision. Then he changes to a coordinator that moves away from that offensive vision while still not recruiting pieces for that vision. Now we have moved further away that vision both offensively and a bit defensively. And continue to recruit in a way that doesn't fit where our team is now, or where he wanted to go in the future. His biggest crime might be not staying in line with himself or his vision of what needed to be run.

 

[divits]

I look at it as a failure of lack of direction. Muschamp had a clear message of what he wanted on offense and defense. He picked up coordinators who fit that vision, but we didn't have the personel to fit that vision. Then he changes to a coordinator that moves away from that offensive vision while still not recruiting pieces for that vision. Now we have moved further away that vision both offensively and a bit defensively. And continue to recruit in a way that doesn't fit where our team is now, or where he wanted to go in the future. His biggest crime might be not staying in line with himself or his vision of what needed to be run.

I like Muschamp, I really do. But I don't think even these will be able to help "his vision".

 

[TheDouglas78]

I like Muschamp, I really do. But I don't think even these will be able to help "his vision".

When he came in he wanted to run a pro style offense and stout 4-3 defense based on a strong front seven. Pease and Roper are both spread offense guys. Quin fit defensively what he wanted to do, and Durkin is really just a waste of space outside of recruiting. If you are going pro-style you start by recruiting linemen which he didn't do. We have only recruited one pro-style quarterback in his time here. We did pick up pro-style backs, and at receiver we finally have the length for a pro-style. The vision he had coming in was a solid vision, especially with what some questions about NFL scouts and the spread system at the time. The problem is, that he didn't recruit or get coaches that fit those designs, which is completely on him as the CEO of the program.

 

[ufgator812]

Just had this discussion at lunch. How many players, how many OCs, how many offensive systems before we finally accept that it's not going to change under WM? Few things are certain, but I can guarantee you that every single player--including Driskel-- would be performing better under a different regime. The culture has become so toxic that until it is changed, we will almost certainly see the same results.

Amen.

 

[ufgator2002]

Hopefully Worton will replace Pittman this Saturday. That would help cut the dropped passes by 50%.

I second this notion

 

[t-gator]

Just had this discussion at lunch. How many players, how many OCs, how many offensive systems before we finally accept that it's not going to change under WM?

Few things are certain, but I can guarantee you that every single player--including Driskel-- would be performing better under a different regime. The culture has become so toxic that until it is changed, we will almost certainly see the same results.

I kind of agree. But I will say I thought treon could have brought some excitement to the offense. Not that I would expect him to put up video game numbers but I thought if we was able to bring him along slowly we could gain alot of momentum on the offensive side of the ball and in recruiting. I think the Harris was just a huge bubble buster. Sorry if I sound like a broken record.

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

Winston is still the best quarterback in college football. Benjamin did not "bail" him out. He's the most accurate passer out there. He's not perfect, but the ball goes exactly where he wants it to go the vast majority of time with the right amount of speed for the occasion. . I think you've seen a drop off due to the receivers and him not yet being on the same page, except for Greene. Winston throws to a spot, he expects his receivers to be there, it hasn't happened yet this year. I think that will change with a former gator commit, Lane, and the rumored "big flip" to Florida, Rudolph becoming more in synch with Winston. Mariota gets excused for his poor offensive line, yet Winston hasn't had good protection going back to the National Championship game, but he still figures out a way to win. No, you're dreaming if you think that any receiver "bails" out the game's most accurate passer. His throws are dictated by who he's throwing to. For example, the same play, an inside slant, that as the winning TD in the National Championship game was run last week against Wake, but Winston didn't throw it high, he threw it where Greene could catch it, not Benjamin. If you don't realize that Winston is still the best player in college football, I don't think you are being objective. Mariota? He chokes at home against a 24 point underdog and hasn't even won a division title in his career. Gurley? He's a great player, he's not as dominant a player as Winston, or Georgia wouldn't have lost against South Carolina. No, with the game on the line, there is no one to compare with Winston, he never fails to rise to the occasion. He did 'driskel' against N.C. State late in the game, but made up for it on the next drive.

STFU, Nole.

 

[ufgator2002]

Winston is still the best quarterback in college football. Benjamin did not "bail" him out. He's the most accurate passer out there. He's not perfect, but the ball goes exactly where he wants it to go the vast majority of time with the right amount of speed for the occasion. . I think you've seen a drop off due to the receivers and him not yet being on the same page, except for Greene. Winston throws to a spot, he expects his receivers to be there, it hasn't happened yet this year. I think that will change with a former gator commit, Lane, and the rumored "big flip" to Florida, Rudolph becoming more in synch with Winston. Mariota gets excused for his poor offensive line, yet Winston hasn't had good protection going back to the National Championship game, but he still figures out a way to win. No, you're dreaming if you think that any receiver "bails" out the game's most accurate passer. His throws are dictated by who he's throwing to. For example, the same play, an inside slant, that as the winning TD in the National Championship game was run last week against Wake, but Winston didn't throw it high, he threw it where Greene could catch it, not Benjamin. If you don't realize that Winston is still the best player in college football, I don't think you are being objective. Mariota? He chokes at home against a 24 point underdog and hasn't even won a division title in his career. Gurley? He's a great player, he's not as dominant a player as Winston, or Georgia wouldn't have lost against South Carolina. No, with the game on the line, there is no one to compare with Winston, he never fails to rise to the occasion. He did 'driskel' against N.C. State late in the game, but made up for it on the next drive.

Flipping suckinole in the house..... :hehehe:

 

[NVGator]

Just had this discussion at lunch. How many players, how many OCs, how many offensive systems before we finally accept that it's not going to change under WM?

Few things are certain, but I can guarantee you that every single player--including Driskel-- would be performing better under a different regime. The culture has become so toxic that until it is changed, we will almost certainly see the same results.

This!

 

[Swamp Donkey]

blah fvkking blah

So, what does it take to vote this Semenhole off the island?

 

[Swamp Queen]

So, what does it take to vote this Semenhole off the island?

I second it...whatever it takes.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

See!!! That's like a Royal Decree. And bipartisan support, also.

It's done, folks. J or Ox, make it happen.

 

[Alagator]

Winston is still the best quarterback in college football. Benjamin did not "bail" him out. He's the most accurate passer out there. He's not perfect, but the ball goes exactly where he wants it to go the vast majority of time with the right amount of speed for the occasion. . I think you've seen a drop off due to the receivers and him not yet being on the same page, except for Greene. Winston throws to a spot, he expects his receivers to be there, it hasn't happened yet this year. I think that will change with a former gator commit, Lane, and the rumored "big flip" to Florida, Rudolph becoming more in synch with Winston. Mariota gets excused for his poor offensive line, yet Winston hasn't had good protection going back to the National Championship game, but he still figures out a way to win. No, you're dreaming if you think that any receiver "bails" out the game's most accurate passer. His throws are dictated by who he's throwing to. For example, the same play, an inside slant, that as the winning TD in the National Championship game was run last week against Wake, but Winston didn't throw it high, he threw it where Greene could catch it, not Benjamin. If you don't realize that Winston is still the best player in college football, I don't think you are being objective. Mariota? He chokes at home against a 24 point underdog and hasn't even won a division title in his career. Gurley? He's a great player, he's not as dominant a player as Winston, or Georgia wouldn't have lost against South Carolina. No, with the game on the line, there is no one to compare with Winston, he never fails to rise to the occasion. He did 'driskel' against N.C. State late in the game, but made up for it on the next drive.

You hero is a flaming, stinking, pile of

 

[TheDouglas78]

Winston is an outstanding QB, but he isn't in my top 3 right now for many reasons.

well he is 27th in the nation in quarterback rating.