Scott Frost and his 12-20 record accused of violations; may be fired by Christmas

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It was the ultimate mail-in.

This and the Meyer/Saban analogies just don’t apply. Frost was a star Nebraska QB that won the national title after being born and raised in Lincoln. It simply wasn’t comparable.

He still made the lesser choice for himself and UF, but we also treated him like he was worth half of what we eventually paid Mullen. What exactly had Mullen proven at that point to show he was worth so much compared to a guy that got UCF to undefeated in 2 seasons after being a total disaster?
 

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This and the Meyer/Saban analogies just don’t apply. Frost was a star Nebraska QB that won the national title after being born and raised in Lincoln. It simply wasn’t comparable.

He still made the lesser choice for himself and UF, but we also treated him like he was worth half of what we eventually paid Mullen. What exactly had Mullen proven at that point to show he was worth so much compared to a guy that got UCF to undefeated in 2 seasons after being a total disaster?

Well, again, we walked into the whole search like Mike Dexter in "Can't Hardly Wait", high-fiving people, arrogantly disregarding anyone we considered to be lesser candidates, and just expecting for people to lay down if we took the time to fly to them. So in the end, we were stuck and the chubby girl with the whale tail, that we'd never even imagined being the target, suddenly had all the control. I think if SS had gone straight to Mullen, we would've paid less. Don't forget, Taggart actually had his agent issue a statement that he had no interest in the UF job. Add that to the other debacles, and here we are.

As for Frost himself, nearly every successful coach I can think of went to a small, nothing school. Spurrier and Swinney are the only names that come to mind. Yet each of them make the business decision to go where they feel they'll have the most success. If Frost had still be in Oregon and would've had to literally pass Lincoln on the way to UF, maybe there's an argument. But he was already here. I bet he'd sat in the living rooms of numerous players that were also offered by UF. There was such a compelling argument for why the UF job just made the most sense for he and his family. His leaving Ucf and driving by UF to go to Nebraska was the worst move in college sports history.

 
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I wanted Frost.

He knows Florida

We have much better talent AVAILABLE than Neb.

He wasn't Mullen.
 

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But, but, but he was the guy who would never, ever go to Nebraska;
he was the guy that we just had to get to take Butters place!
 

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But, but, but he was the guy who would never, ever go to Nebraska;
he was the guy that we just had to get to take Butters place!
I think you're thinking of the fat toad that went to UCLA.

most people just hoped for Frost but there was never a lot of smoke.

he was wanting like $5 million a year. this was apparently too steep for a guy who'd only won one championship so instead we paid 6.5 million dollars for a guy who has never won any championships.
 

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I think you're thinking of the fat toad that went to UCLA.

most people just hoped for Frost but there was never a lot of smoke.

he was wanting like $5 million a year. this was apparently too steep for a guy who'd only won one championship so instead we paid 6.5 million dollars for a guy who has never won any championships.

The Guy had to...had to...know the SEC.

Had to have HC experience.

Forget his offense or recruiting.
 

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The Guy had to...had to...know the SEC.

Had to have HC experience.

Forget his offense or recruiting.
well there were clear warning signs with frost. he also insisted on keeping his crappy staff.

he no doubt would have recruited better. he already had good relationships with most of the type recruits. and all of the coaches. offensively his scheme is very similar to Mullins however, a significantly less conservative and much faster paced, but still spread option and quarterback based.

his defense sucks nearly as bad as Grantham.

who knows. we'd probably be sitting in the same boat with a slightly better roster to get handed off to the next guy.
 

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I think you're thinking of the fat toad that went to UCLA.

most people just hoped for Frost but there was never a lot of smoke.

he was wanting like $5 million a year. this was apparently too steep for a guy who'd only won one championship so instead we paid 6.5 million dollars for a guy who has never won any championships.

We have to assume something got in the way. Based on my reading, it wasn’t comp. It was Frost’s insistence on bringing his staff, the whole enchilada. And based on the record of the current coaching regime, maybe we should have taken that gamble.
 

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We have to assume something got in the way. Based on my reading, it wasn’t comp. It was Frost’s insistence on bringing his staff, the whole enchilada. And based on the record of the current coaching regime, maybe we should have taken that gamble.
I honestly think his coaching staff was worse.

there was more though. we must have been demanding to retain Randy Shannon as DC or something stupid like that. apparently our front office absolutely loved Randy Shannon. and now that I've seen Grantham defenses maybe that would have been a good demand for Mullen also.
 

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I honestly think his coaching staff was worse.

there was more though. we must have been demanding to retain Randy Shannon as DC or something stupid like that. apparently our front office absolutely loved Randy Shannon. and now that I've seen Grantham defenses maybe that would have been a good demand for Mullen also.

I’ve read that, too, but I never understood the idea of the Stricklin love for Shannon. I think it was Stricklin drawing a line in the sand on how much power he was willing to cede to a relative newcomer.
 

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I honestly think his coaching staff was worse.

there was more though. we must have been demanding to retain Randy Shannon as DC or something stupid like that. apparently our front office absolutely loved Randy Shannon. and now that I've seen Grantham defenses maybe that would have been a good demand for Mullen also.

In retrospect, it would’ve been better to keep Shannon on D. I wasn’t his biggest fan, but everything I read and heard said that he’d fallen in love with Gville and UF had truly become his home. He wasn’t killing it in recruiting, but would’ve definitely helped in areas and been a good argument for the UF vs um recruiting battles. We got all the same negatives but with an ultra pleated pants, cheap cologne and chain smoking dbag.

That said, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of an AD having demands about retaining one staff member before. So it should’ve been handled much better than the amateur hour we’ve become so familiar with.
 

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Ironic isn’t it that the one guy didn’t come because of his assistants and the other guy may have lost his one and only chance to cement a legacy because of his?
 

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That said, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of an AD having demands about retaining one staff member before. So it should’ve been handled much better than the amateur hour we’ve become so familiar with.

You mean the amateur hour of flighting up to get a coach, faxes back and forth with that coach after coming back with nothing... then that coach takes less money else where. Letting the first wave is of coaching prospects go off the board, we overpay for a coach who was on a team in our own division's coach search 4th tier? That kind of amateurism?

The problem isn't Mullen he is a symptom of the unprofessionalism that is filled in the leadership (not the staff) of the Association.
 

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You mean the amateur hour of flighting up to get a coach, faxes back and forth with that coach after coming back with nothing... then that coach takes less money else where. Letting the first wave is of coaching prospects go off the board, we overpay for a coach who was on a team in our own division's coach search 4th tier? That kind of amateurism?

The problem isn't Mullen he is a symptom of the unprofessionalism that is filled in the leadership (not the staff) of the Association.

Exactly.
 

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