Final Recruiting Class

[playzwtrux]

No I get that, and you're correct that a HC has to make that final call. That said, I think if you're truly an integral part of things over a 5-6 year period, and with the defensive success they've had, a DC that was truly running the D would be able to get an "ok" from the HC in cases like this. Looks like Saban ran the entire defense, including assessing talent. I don't see that as a positive for a first time HC. JMO.

I think we're tracking together. I'm also thinking that the head coach is looking at the picture as the whole team and may see needs elsewhere where a coach on one side of the ball doesn't necessarily see that, he just sees his side of the ball. The HC can say, no, we need to use that scholly elsewhere instead of another db this cycle. I think we both prolly see it that way.

 

[GatorJ]

I don't know much about Oxford, but the town itself may be nice, the girls sure seem to be and that may be enough to pull him in. but I truly have no idea why anyone would want to play college ball for ole miss... what have they won in all these years... nothing. I am not sold on freeze as a top level coach either... good (middle of the pack), but not top tier



I'm thinking that most recruiters will bring a nomination before the head coach before making an offer and the head coach makes the final decision (after his personal eval) on whether to offer him or not, especially a coach with his influence on every aspect of the game as Saban has. I'm not sure if I was a coach that I would give an open "check book" to them, but at some point there has to be some leeway. I think that's better than offering a kid and the head coach decides later that he don't want him and pull the offer. , it's just my opinion from the outside looking in.

No I get that, and you're correct that a HC has to make that final call. That said, I think if you're truly an integral part of things over a 5-6 year period, and with the defensive success they've had, a DC that was truly running the D would be able to get an "ok" from the HC in cases like this. Looks like Saban ran the entire defense, including assessing talent. I don't see that as a positive for a first time HC. JMO.

That is interesting for sure. If that is the case, then Saban in not only the architect of the defense, but he is also in charge of the ongoing maintenance. Perhaps Smart is in charge of game planning? Playcalling? Neither?

 

[ATXGator]

He says he's still "highly committed until something goes wrong", but did speak glowingly about Smart and the relationship they've had since 10th grade. Says he's going to wait it out and then decide what he's going to do. One good quote was that he recognizes you can't commit to a coach, and have to commit to a school, because coaching is a business and there's no guarantee they'll be there. Smart approach by him and his advisers.

The one thing that stood out to me is Smart's defending of not offering him while at Alabama. Taylor says that KS told him it wasn't his call and he couldn't offer. So basically, despite knowing him and seeing his talent for over 2 years, Kirby didn't have enough control to get his way on an offer. Either A) he's lying and is just now feeling he deserves a scholly, or B) Smart had little to do with the overall structure and success at Alabama and was merely a puppet of Saban who warrants little credit for what they've accomplished and will be a bust as HC.

I'm going with B,and hopefully some of these kids recognize that.

Thanks! I definitely agree with your two options, but I'm not sure the kid recognizes option B if that is what it is. The scary thing is that his best friend is probably going to UGA and they are probably going to play together. The positive is that we get the last visit with them and that means we definitely have a shot.

I wonder how the firing of Callahan impacts this or if it does since Taylor is a Safety.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

UF has one guy on that list & ole miss has 3? There is most definitely something wrong in the cosmos.

Ole Miss has a guy from Tx committed (The 2 big texas schools are in shambles at the moment), one guy from MS (hardly surprising he would stay in state), and their QB who is from TX and LA and they run an up tempo passing offense...again not that surprising. As for Florida there is only 1 kid on that list that is from Florida (Not counting the IMG kids that aren't from FL) so really not that surprising that we only have 1 that is from Georgia

 

[-THE DUDE-]

Thanks! I definitely agree with your two options, but I'm not sure the kid recognizes option B if that is what it is. The scary thing is that his best friend is probably going to UGA and they are probably going to play together. The positive is that we get the last visit with them and that means we definitely have a shot.

I wonder how the firing of Callahan impacts this or if it does since Taylor is a Safety.

So you are finding it more likely that a guy that a guy that has been committed to UF for months and a guy that has been listing UF as his leader for months is now more likely to go to uga based on basically nothing. It may very well happen but there is nothing to back this up other than it fits your current mood of expecting the worst to happen.

 

[GatorJ]

Ole Miss has a guy from Tx committed (The 2 big texas schools are in shambles at the moment), one guy from MS (hardly surprising he would stay in state), and their QB who is from TX and LA and they run an up tempo passing offense...again not that surprising. As for Florida there is only 1 kid on that list that is from Florida (Not counting the IMG kids that aren't from FL) so really not that surprising that we only have 1 that is from Georgia

Next year's class has crazy talent in the state. We need to grab the O-lineman back from Auburn. Jake Allen will have a Pied Piper effect on offensive skill positions.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

Next year's class has crazy talent in the state. We need to grab the O-lineman back from Auburn. Jake Allen will have a Pied Piper effect on offensive skill positions.

Having a highly rated QB who also seems to love to recruit is one of the best situations you can have...unfortunately for UF in this case is that we've been so god awful on offense for so long most of the skill players keep a wait and see approach to see if we'll ever light up the scoreboard again. Got a lot of positive reviews when Grier was here (even though we weren't really lighting it up that crazy) but that fizzled dramatically as the season wore on and Treon killed our offense. If we show some serious improvement on offense next year...we'll get our share

 

[soflagator]

Thanks! I definitely agree with your two options, but I'm not sure the kid recognizes option B if that is what it is. The scary thing is that his best friend is probably going to UGA and they are probably going to play together. The positive is that we get the last visit with them and that means we definitely have a shot.

I wonder how the firing of Callahan impacts this or if it does since Taylor is a Safety.

He was the one that tweeted that it was a bad move. He mentioned int he article that he's waiting until he can get here for his OV and meet the new DB coach. That kind of indicates to me that he's been informed that we'll have a DB coach in place before the 29th. The only issue we're facing at this point is the relationship he has with Smart vs starting a new one here. I actually think we're in good shape with him still.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Oxford is a nice town with a lot of history and tradition, as well the school. The women are beautiful and honestly, way more down to earth than some places. I know we all like to bag on ole piss but the reality is its a nice place to go for college ball of the coaching staff is in place to really compete, and right now I'd say it is.


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[-THE DUDE-]

Oxford is a nice town with a lot of history and tradition, as well the school. The women are beautiful and honestly, way more down to earth than some places. I know we all like to bag on ole piss but the reality is its a nice place to go for college ball of the coaching staff is in place to really compete, and right now I'd say it is.


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Yeah im not sure why it's so hard to understand...from all accounts Oxford is actually a very nice place and they are pumping some money into that program. Stadium expansion is ongoing and should be complete soon and the only thing really that holds them back in people's mind is that they were so bad for so very long. It's not like UF had some great history until SOS came back.

 

[SGG]

That is interesting for sure. If that is the case, then Saban in not only the architect of the defense, but he is also in charge of the ongoing maintenance. Perhaps Smart is in charge of game planning? Playcalling? Neither?

Maybe Kirby is/was to Saban what Weis was to Belichick.

 

[T REX]

Recruiting starts at home! We haven't been getting top in state talent in years. Five this year...five last year...six in '14. FSU has 24 in the same period

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

 

[ATXGator]

Recruiting starts at home! We haven't been getting top in state talent in years. Five this year...five last year...six in '14. FSU has 24 in the same period

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

This is absolutely key and I think it is something that McElwain wants to fix, but he has to build the relationships which takes time. I also think the facilities are a big deal here and we do need an updated locker room and player lounge. Hopefully that is in the works.

 

[ATXGator]

So you are finding it more likely that a guy that a guy that has been committed to UF for months and a guy that has been listing UF as his leader for months is now more likely to go to uga based on basically nothing. It may very well happen but there is nothing to back this up other than it fits your current mood of expecting the worst to happen.

From everything I have heard it seems like Taylor and Wilson are a package deal. They are best friends and Taylor wants to play with Wilson. Wilson loves Kirby because of the relationship he has had with him and since Wilson is the 5* it is very possible that Taylor will follow him to UGA vs. Wilson following Taylor to Florida. I would hardly call that "nothing" to back it up.

 

[GatorJ]

He was the one that tweeted that it was a bad move. He mentioned int he article that he's waiting until he can get here for his OV and meet the new DB coach. That kind of indicates to me that he's been informed that we'll have a DB coach in place before the 29th. The only issue we're facing at this point is the relationship he has with Smart vs starting a new one here. I actually think we're in good shape with him still.

From what I've seen, we already have a DB coach. He's just not being named until after signing day because we do not want to risk losing him.

 

[ATXGator]

From what I've seen, we already have a DB coach. He's just not being named until after signing day because we do not want to risk losing him.

Any ideas on who it is?

 

[-THE DUDE-]

From everything I have heard it seems like Taylor and Wilson are a package deal. They are best friends and Taylor wants to play with Wilson. Wilson loves Kirby because of the relationship he has had with him and since Wilson is the 5* it is very possible that Taylor will follow him to UGA vs. Wilson following Taylor to Florida. I would hardly call that "nothing" to back it up.

And totaling dismissing Wilson calling us his leader for months with bama 2...yes he has a relationship with Kirby bit hours relationship with UF is not based on Taylor. The nothing to back it up on is that he's never given an indication that uga is his leader or even 2.

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[GatorJ]

Recruiting starts at home! We haven't been getting top in state talent in years. Five this year...five last year...six in '14. FSU has 24 in the same period

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=FL

We have definitely missed out on some offensive talent in Florida this year. That will continue if our offense does not turn around. That's why we hired Coach Mac. To turn around this abysmal offense. Problem is he inherited only one QB and a receiver at QB. The one QB we had got suspended for the year. He's been trying all year to get a QB here. If that's not obvious, then you're not paying attention. (Franks, Haskins, Eason, etc...)

Out of the top 25 in the state, 11 have gone out of state. We need to lock that down.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3555

 

[GatorJ]

Any ideas on who it is?

I haven't seen anything concrete. The Callahan thread has a couple links with insiders taking some stabs at it.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

Problem is is that UF is not the cool team in state...fsu is and always has been. SOS and Urban made us cool enough to land some talent and some elite out of state talent. We did it worn electric playmakers and great qb play. We were known for our offense and the muschamp hire killed that...took us back to the stone age and what playmaker wanted to play that?

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