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Rams/Saints no-call
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I'm thinkin' we'll reach a million by the end of this thread...
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Hand was on mask, head turned 90 degrees as soon as that happened. Announcers all stated it was a missed facemask call when it occurred. Everything for refs is a judgement call. Time factor we agree, however, I already stated severity of foul carries no weight with me so your wasting your breath there. Last, arguing that what would have occurred is more likely with Nola getting a 1st vice LA is completely laughable and I think where a few are disagreeing with you. We have no way of knowing about what ifs. It's all conjecture. I still maintain that if we are going to rank probabilities, it would be the Rams who were more likely to score if given the correct call vs saints. 1st and goal from 1 vs 5 and in the hands off an offense that was playing much more effectively late in the game.Ok
The facemask was a judgement call. The rule states that you have to grab the mask and pull or turn the head. It clearly states that inadvertant fingers in the mask where the defender immediately lets go isn't a foul. Even a butterfly landing on the facemask turns the head a micron.
Regardless of the above, Goff was in the process of being tackled. The facemask didn't prevent him from getting a first down or scoring, unlike the penalty committed by the Rams at the end. That foul was committed precisely to prevent the receiver from catching the ball and getting at least a first down if not a TD.
Next, as you mentioned, the time factor made the later foul much more important. Had the facemask call been made, lots of things could have happened subsequently. They could have still kicked a FG. They could have scored at TD (which would change the playcalling on the subsequent Saints drive). They could have turned the ball over. Etc. This is in contrast to what would have very likely happened had the PI foul been called, which as you said would have meant the Saints sit on the ball, eat most of the clock, and kick the easy FG (which they did anyway).
In short, no one from the league is saying they missed a crucial facemask foul. But the league damn sure is admitting they blew the PI call. It was a much bigger and egregious foul at a much more crucial moment. I predict I will bring about some changes.
At any rate, you can have the last say. These are just my observations and I don't care either way bc neither of these teams matter to me.
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Ah, sarcasm went right over my head. I hang my head in shame...
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If you're going to attack me, at least get your facts straight. When all this kneeling crap was going on 2-3 years ago, the league gave tacit approval to those actions. So I and many others stopped watching. This past year the league came out and finally told everybody to knock it off. A good step in the right direction. I also flew with a guy who has a brother in the league and routinely gets to be on the sidelines. His report was that the vast majority of the players felt the same way I do about the kneeling, so hearing that also softened my stance on it. I still didn't watch any regular season games for the same reason I don't watch regular season basketball, baseball, etc. I watched the championship games yesterday, one game last week, and I'll watch the Super Bowl. If you think this make me a hypocrite well I can't control that.
- Jun 12, 2014
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Refs miss calls on damn near every play. Trying to compare a missed hold or facemask or clip or whatever that didn't really effect a play earlier in the game isn't a winning argument. The fact that some people say it wasn't a foul means it was questionable, even if it was a foul. The PI wasn't questionable.
Then you ask yourself well what happens if the foul isn't committed. Well if the facemask foul isn't committed, Goff is still tackled and its 4th down. If the PI foul isn't committed, he catches the pass for a 1st down or a TD. Or maybe he drops it, but its inarguable that the second foul had a much bigger impact on the outcome of the play.
Of course you're right that the Rams were more likely to score a TD if they had been awarded a first down, but that's only because the Saints wouldn't have even tried to score a TD. They would have run the time off the clock and kicked a FG rather than risk a fumble.
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N.O. is pissed...My sons were at the game and said the place was ready to get a rope and hang a Zebra or two.
The Officiating was abysmal. There were several Helmet to Helmet no calls and the LA defenders were about groping the Receivers. If it were College...some of the Rams defenders would have been ejected.
Even the announcers were saying, it looks like they are letting them play. There were several 3 down drives stopped by "NON-Calls"
But is was the opposite for the NE vs KC Game.
So NFL…Which is it?
Also, one of the Referees was a former “Ram Player”!!!
The Officiating was abysmal. There were several Helmet to Helmet no calls and the LA defenders were about groping the Receivers. If it were College...some of the Rams defenders would have been ejected.
Even the announcers were saying, it looks like they are letting them play. There were several 3 down drives stopped by "NON-Calls"
But is was the opposite for the NE vs KC Game.
So NFL…Which is it?
Also, one of the Referees was a former “Ram Player”!!!
- Aug 20, 2018
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And you Face Palm this because?
Refs blew this call and it's one of the NFL's top 3 games of the year...NICE
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Because you're whining like a little girl and implied there was a conspiracy to cheat the Saints. Penalties: Rams 7-64, Saints 3-20. Judging by the penalties, perhaps they swallowed their whistles for the Saints, not the Rams. "If it were college..." It's not college! "One of the refs was a former Rams Player." Yeah, and before that game the Rams were 0-8 in games officiated by the head ref. It's already established they blew the call, but they also blew the call at the other end of the field. Questionable calls went both ways. It's football, man up.
- Aug 20, 2018
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Little Girl this.....
They BLEW the call. Even the announcers said they blew at least 2 Pass Interference calls.
The helmet to helmet were non existent.
EVEN NFL NY called Paton and said they “missed the call”
And I guess you were okay with the UK at UF Missed FG this year when it was CLEARLY Good? The Ref was not even below the goal post who called it. OH but that's just footbal?
It matters not how many calls went which way...THEY BLEW IT and this was the NFC Championship! NO EXCUSE...Top Officials, End of the year...
This is the best they got? They missed a boat load of calls. AND this is the NFL. The two championship games were called totally different...THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.
I don't have to MAN UP. You accept shyt calls so be it...Keep accepting it and expect the same
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I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of whiny babies than this thread. It was a terrible call no doubt. But as has been pointed out, there were plenty of bad calls throughout the game including the face mask of Goff. There also were multiple delay of game penalties not called on NO and both secondaries were mugging receivers all game long. All that said, my Rams perceviered and the Saints didn’t. All you Saints apologists can cry in your gumbo all offseason for all I care. I’ll be busy watching the team that got it done at the end playing in the Super Bowl!
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The chiefs might have lost their game because one of their DL lined up offsides reversing an int. How someone lines up offsides when they are looking at the ball (or at all) is a mystery to me.
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Missing both fouls confuses me. the PI was clear, as was the helmet to helmet, defensive back did not even look for the ball.
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Wrong thread Chief.... but that act did continue that drive.
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It's simple: bad calls are part of the game
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One of the unfortunate outcomes of the 2003 f$u Swindle in the Swamp was college replays. I hated to watch that game, but it was at least fun watching bobby making excuses: for "only one bad call". The legacy for college replays are the acc referees of that game.
So, I don't even care for the replays we have. For me all the replays in the world have not made it a better game; and even more replays will take away even more momentum.
If something needs to be changed in pro-ball, it is rules on sudden death overtimes; those are simply unfair.
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A player cannot throw up his arms in disgust like a fan; a player learns to get ready for the next play and play the game they're in. When I was a young man, an older player on my team told me sometimes you need to beat the refs also. That has stuck with me.
One of the unfortunate outcomes of the 2003 f$u Swindle in the Swamp was college replays. I hated to watch that game, but it was at least fun watching bobby making excuses: for "only one bad call". The legacy for college replays are the acc referees of that game.
So, I don't even care for the replays we have. For me all the replays in the world have not made it a better game; and even more replays will take away even more momentum.
If something needs to be changed in pro-ball, it is rules on sudden death overtimes; those are simply unfair.
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great thread, would read again.
I get both sides.
The one factor that isnt equivalent is the time factor. If the saints get the ball at the 5 they have the ability to wind the clock down to about 20 seconds or so left and then kick a FG making it highly unlikely the rams can score again. The time really wasnt a factor for the facemask no call play b/c there was sufficient time for a few more possessions. That being said, sean payton totally screwed the pooch on the playcalling leading up to that PI no call. Two short incomplete passes when everyone including the game callers were scratching their heads and asking WTF is he doing? Still should have been PI and a 1st down, but regardless of the no call, there could have been and should have been way less time on the clock if sean payton hadnt had his head up his butt. And if he had played the clock, even without the TD, the FG could have been enough to win it in regulation.
Let me have it
This.
