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We’re arguing over the relative success of 10 and 11 win seasons in the first 2 years because the narrative was Chip Kelly (And a list of others who didn’t want the job) would Win championships right away. Tough expectations to live up to and clearly DM did not.
 

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It's actually just as bad now. Only 2 out of the 7 teams have a winning conference record. Missouri lost to Wyoming, Tennessee lost to Georgia State, Vanderbilt lost to UNLV, and UK who many consider the 3rd most talented team in the east are 2-4 in conference. There is never going to be an easier time for Mullen to win the SEC East.

I’m sorry but this is just flat out wrong. Butters won the east twice with two losses because the Vols were the second best team in the east with a 4-4 record. Not once did he have to beat a single decent team to win the east. We won the east in 2016 after losing to Tennessee and Arkansas for chrissakes. In 2015 we had a better record but squeaked by Vandy with a last second FG and went to overtime against Florida Atlantic. Butters incompetent ass was the beneficiary of the easiest schedule the Gators have played in my lifetime, whereas this team has had to play 3 top ten teams in the last 5 weeks.
 

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Stop with the “I knew” nonsense. I can agree with much of your sentiment but you’ve been dead wrong on about a half dozen coaches, including DM to an extent. To be fair, I didn’t want Kelly and thought it was early on Frost, but thought both would’ve done better where they currently are. So I’m no genius either.

I’d bet less than 5%of this board were thrilled with the Mullen hire. I’d bet even less thought we’d be in a NY6 bowl or winning 9-11 games in the first two years under him. I’m sure it’s archived if we really want to look it up. He’s done a decent amount right, and by your own admission, has been dealt a tough hand because of factors beyond his control. Is he building something, not totally sure. But I also didn’t expect much of what I’ve seen. So like the others, I’ll have to wait it out and see. He’s been very blunt about what the expectations are here so there’s no hiding from that now. As much as I didn’t like the comment he made Saturday, he’s clearly implying we’re close to uga but still have improvements to make. It either happens or it doesn’t. He either produces titles or will face the wrath of things, which will eventually make the decision for Stricklin. It always does.

On your point about not beating teams with more talent, honestly how many do? How many teams do Saban, Meyer, Swinney, etc actually best when they’re facing a more talented opponent? For that matter, outside of maybe ut at times, how often did Spurrier face better talent? Typically once a year, and his record was less than stellar in that contest. He wasn’t slaying giants with a ragtag group. We were loaded and teams had no answer. Mullen is not unique. He needs to fix recruiting and we will be ok. If he doesn’t, he’s written his own obituary.

Willie Taggart

Taggart is 56-62 as a head coach. He went 16-20 at Western Kentucky, 24-25 at South Florida and 7-5 in his lone season at Oregon.

See, it is easy to KNOW they are a garbage coach.

You are what your resume says you are.
 

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I think some underestimate the difficulty of winning a championship when your out manned. Mullen is a good coach I'm not denying that at all, however Mullen is not a good enough coach to overcome beating 5 teams in one season that is more talented than us. UGA, LSU, Bama are more talented so no matter what you already have to beat 3 teams more talented just to make the playoffs. Once you add 2 more teams to that mix it becomes 5 teams wed have to beat that have more talent than us. It's not gonna happen.

I think we have all agreed that coach O is not a very in game good coach, yet they are split 1 and 1 against each other. LSU has more talent both years but Mullen caught him. Everyone has said Smart is not a very good coach, 0-2 against him they have more talent. If he couldnt beat this UGA team he wont beat them at all.

I'm convinced Mullen is not the guy to bring us to a championship level. His lack of recruiting is such a glare it's not funny. You guys can get excited all you want about a top 10 class but until we start pulling top 5 classes it's not going to make a difference when your playing 2 teams a year that are recruiting way better than you yearly and a 3rd if you make the SECCG.

You can throw out what Dabo did all you want its different, Dabo would finish 10th in recruiting but pull a 5* Qb RB and DE in a class then the following year pull a 5* Wr, CB and DT. Mullen isnt sniffing 5* talent. You dont have to have 15 5* players but if you can pull a Qb and a few skill players that are 5* you can surround them with mid level 4* talent.

What you cant do is build a team full of mid level 4* players a few high level 4* talent and expect to win titles. It's just not gonna happen.
 

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WiLLLLLLLie Taggart

Taggart is 56-62 as a head coach. He went 16-20 at Western Kentucky, 24-25 at South Florida and 7-5 in his lone season at Oregon.

See, it is easy to KNOW they are a garbage coach.

You are what your resume says you are.
One guy proves it, huh? Guess we should never hire coordinators - Dabo or Stoops don’t come around often. Or hot to trot G5 coaches - very few win big, most burn out. Look at Mac or Tags - won 10 games, both sucked. Or retread CFB P5 coaches. Bert at Arkansas sucked. Guess we just need to wait on Saban to get bored at Bama and hire him away. Only possible solution since it’s the only one that has worked.
 

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Some people trying to rewrite history. Butters was in the SECCG 2 straight years and Butters beat our division rival those years. Butters didn't lose at home to a team we had beat for 30 straight years. Butters didn't lose 4 games in the state of FL his first 2 years. You either make the SECCG or you are a loser of your own division.
 

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I’m sorry but this is just flat out wrong. Butters won the east twice with two losses because the Vols were the second best team in the east with a 4-4 record. Not once did he have to beat a single decent team to win the east. We won the east in 2016 after losing to Tennessee and Arkansas for chrissakes. In 2015 we had a better record but squeaked by Vandy with a last second FG and went to overtime against Florida Atlantic. Butters incompetent ass was the beneficiary of the easiest schedule the Gators have played in my lifetime, whereas this team has had to play 3 top ten teams in the last 5 weeks.
We're talking about the East. Georgia is better. The rest of them all complete trash then and now. That's why Butters actually won the east despite his incompetence. No doubt, Butters lucked into a very weak East, but so Did Mullen, and this year was Mullen's best chance to win it. UGA is the only team with a pulse, and they just lost to fukin Muschamp at home, so tell me again how much tougher the east is now?
 

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Some people trying to rewrite history. Butters was in the SECCG 2 straight years and Butters beat our division rival those years. Butters didn't lose at home to a team we had beat for 30 straight years. Butters didn't lose 4 games in the state of FL his first 2 years. You either make the SECCG or you are a loser of your own division.
I see you want a new moniker again. Missed tigerfever? I’m guessing you’re going to love ButtersFever.
 

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But get some friggin perspective. We lost - yeah I get it, it was ugly - by 7 motherfu@%ing points in a game that would have put us right in the CFP discussion. Damn, some of you fu@%ers are miserable.
It is amazing, aint it? MOFO has walked this program from shttttt to the door of top five football in less than 2 yrs with 2-3 stars but he cant coach. And he should have a stable of 5 stars right now. If stupid was water we would all have drowned in here by now. But I get much of it. When your ego is so tied to your Alma Mater's football prowess you have to vent. Of course those of us when a LITTLE FCKKKKNN PERSPECTIVE all love losing. That is the party line. We are happy with a 10-2 yr. I am really sorry our geniuses didnt get Mr Kelly or Mr Frost to bring us glory..............:lmao:
 

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I have to look bigger than wins and losses. Didn't really expect to beat ugay but I also didn't think our coaches had this team prepared....at all. Our offense functioned better in Death Valley with that crowd noise than it did in Jax. Mullen marching EJ out that killed a drive....AGAIN! Grantham is still Grantham and this BS going on with 3rd downs is chronic with him and our recruiting isn't getting better. Now, you can talk all you want about where the program is but that's exactly the talk we got when butters was here and we were going to Atlanta but you see what happens when you don't have all your bases covered. Grantham has to go and Mullen needs to make some adjustments in his offensive philosophy and all the sideways stuff and someone needs to get busy recruiting the LOS real quick.
 

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You never expect much out of the transitional recruiting class, so Mullen has had one recruiting class where he has a year of recruiting to get better players in. I’m all for giving him enough time to bring in one or two more before making a call on his recruiting prowess.

That said, I’d have more confidence if he’d bring in some better recruiters to his staff ASAP.
 

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We are all arguing about different things. Some are discussing expectations THIS season, some are discussing expectations going forward.

As far as this season, I didn't expect to win the SEC or the NC, no. I did expect to coach better in the big games, so that has been a let down. Mullen and staff deserve criticism for not having the team ready in the biggest game of the year. Period.

My point is a simple response to the "we are on the right track/pointed in the right direction" people. Recruiting isn't where it should be to get us anywhere close to jumping to the next level. That's not my opinion, just look at the classes. There's no debate here. Some think Mullen will suddenly start bringing in Top-5 classes if you give him more time, and all I can say is that the evidence and history do not support that at all.

We have no choice but to wait and see. But recruiting is by far the biggest issue right now. We really shouldn't even be debating anything else. Without the studs, we'll never sniff our goals.

Now, if some people are lowering the goals to 10 wins, no championships and a "solid" bowl game, that's a different story. We can reach those goals.
 

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It is amazing, aint it? MOFO has walked this program from shttttt to the door of top five football in less than 2 yrs with 2-3 stars but he cant coach. And he should have a stable of 5 stars right now. If stupid was water we would all have drowned in here by now. But I get much of it. When your ego is so tied to your Alma Mater's football prowess you have to vent. Of course those of us when a LITTLE FCKKKKNN PERSPECTIVE all love losing. That is the party line. We are happy with a 10-2 yr. I am really sorry our geniuses didnt get Mr Kelly or Mr Frost to bring us glory..............:lmao:
Full on fvkktard as always.

In one breath you claim it doesnt matter that Butters Part 2 cant cecruit and innthe next breath you say he cant win when they have more talent.

:lmao2:

No one loves losers more than Coach Loser.
 

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As far as this season, I didn't expect to win the SEC or the NC, no. .
There were plenty of people talking playoffs just two days ago (I think someone posted his bet stubs) and talking about "beating LSU in a rematch" (neither which team will be in Atlanta unless it is January).
 

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Kyle Trask........Comparing Mullen to Mclwaine is probably the stupidest fckkkn thing ever to escape your fingers.........
It is true, technically, Butters beat Ugly twice, won the east twice and recruited better. It is an insult to poor lazy ass Butters.

You can Kyle Trash all you want. If talent doesnt matter why are you cunnt bleeding about him needing more talent to turn the program around? Why isnt he bringing his walkon and coaching them up to be elite?

Not that he will ever sign an elite class. You know it, we know it everyone knows Dorkyass Dan the Leftover Hunter cant recruit.
 
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Next season, everyone (including Mullen) needs to state the season goals up front:

10 wins
New Year's Bowl Game

Then we can all be on the same page. Until then, not meeting your stated goals is a failure.
 

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I think a whole bunch of you are drunk as hell. If we were killing it on the recruiting trail, I would absolutely agree. We are not. Hence, how can anyone possibly say we are on an upward trajectory?
Which bring to mind the quote: "We played like a Chinese fire Drill" for 3 quarters...and missed the 5 "P's": proper preparation prevents piss-poor performance!!!!
 

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