Dan Mullen @ Florida...So Far....

[Durty South Swamp]

Jesus dude, you’re really dense. My point is crystal clear. Spurrier is a HOF coach that benefitted from fortunate timing. The great ones seize that opportunity and exploit it. His average losses is only important in that it’s how this discussion started

ok...

Spurrier lost 27 games at Florida, including 5 bowls. That’s just short of 2 regular season losses a year or just short of 2.5 losses total. That’s the gold standard

here's your first post that i responded to and initiated this debate - 100% about losses. 2 being your claim of a "gold standard."

If Mullen can stay at 2 or less regular season losses, he’d be right in line with one of the best.

So 2 loss avg makes mullen on par with spurrier and "the gold standard"

If FSU was an SEC team, UF wins half, if that, the number of SEC titles.

After debunking this 2 loss gold standard crap, you come back with a fictitious scenario where spurrier has more losses and less titles, but notice you focus on the titles here not losses, basically admitting that it IS about titles, not about avg losses.

Look man, whatever your point is, I dont really care. My point has been crystal from the beginning. Spurrier is HOF because of titles, conference and national. That is the only gold standard.

 

[NavetG8r]

Seabee is right imo. Spurrior had 2 tough games a year. UT and FSU, and FSU isn't in the SEC so they didn't count against his chances to make it to the SEC playoff game. Mullen has UGA and LSU, and BOTH count against his chances to get to the SEC playoff game. Last year both KY and Mizzou were in the top 25 too. Kind of a significant difference guys whether you want to admit it or not. SOS today would have a tougher path to the SEC championship game, and the game has changed quite a bit too since he was the HBC. I don't see him having the same consistent success in today's game. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Seabee is right imo. Spurrior had 2 tough games a year. UT and FSU, and FSU isn't in the SEC so they didn't count against his chances to make it to the SEC playoff game. Mullen has UGA and LSU, and BOTH count against his chances to get to the SEC playoff game. Last year both KY and Mizzou were in the top 25 too. Kind of a significant difference guys whether you want to admit it or not. SOS today would have a tougher path to the SEC championship game, and the game has changed quite a bit too since he was the HBC. I don't see him having the same consistent success in today's game. Just my 2 cents.

that wasnt the argument, that became the argument after his original one was debunked. the debate was over his claim that a 2 loss avg season is the gold standard and will put mullen on par with spurrier. losses have much less to do with HOF status than titles. that was my original response and position and still is now.

 

[gatormandan]

What was that word for back peddle?

 

[NavetG8r]

that wasnt the argument, that became the argument after his original one was debunked. the debate was over his claim that a 2 loss avg season is the gold standard and will put mullen on par with spurrier. losses have much less to do with HOF status than titles. that was my original response and position and still is now.

Well forgive me for thinking your point of the argument is kind of moot. The only thing that matters is the state of the game today, when Mullen is the HBC. SOS did what he did because he had an easier path to the championships you covet so highly. Mullen has a tougher slate to get there, so by your standards, Mullen has to be a better coach than SOS to ever reach HOF status. That's not exactly a fair comparison, is it?

 

[SeabeeGator]

ok...

here's your first post that i responded to and initiated this debate - 100% about losses. 2 being your claim of a "gold standard."

So 2 loss avg makes mullen on par with spurrier and "the gold standard"

After debunking this 2 loss gold standard crap, you come back with a fictitious scenario where spurrier has more losses and less titles, but notice you focus on the titles here not losses, basically admitting that it IS about titles, not about avg losses.

Look man, whatever your point is, I dont really care. My point has been crystal from the beginning. Spurrier is HOF because of titles, conference and national. That is the only gold standard.

Go read pages 13-14. That’s what my initial comment was responding to. Maybe you just missed the context or something but there was a ton of debate about the 90s/00s and what a 9 or 10 win season meant. I was responding with the “loss” side of the argument - which is the only constant as the extra game is rarely anything more than a creampuff.

Further, whether you like it or not, it’s a FACT that spurrier benefited from which rivals were good while he was here. He doesn’t win nearly as many titles if the “top 3 powerhouse peer” is in his division, which we have to deal with now (and I know you’re smart enough to know that was my point with the UGA FSU swap comment). He also didn’t have a consensus top 2 team staring him down from the west. It’s ok to acknowledge that our greatest coach had great timing. Doesn’t diminish what he did, just accurately captures it.

 

[SeabeeGator]

that wasnt the argument, that became the argument after his original one was debunked. the debate was over his claim that a 2 loss avg season is the gold standard and will put mullen on par with spurrier. losses have much less to do with HOF status than titles. that was my original response and position and still is now.

Wow dude, doubling down? My original claim had nothing to do with you - it was a response to a previous conversation.

And I’m not equating Mullen to Spurrier, I’m stating that if he gets an average of less than 2 losses a regular season, he’ll be competing for championships like Spurrier. He’s currently at 2.5 which will require some 1 loss seasons to bring it in line - and likely SEC championships to boot. For reference, Saban’s average regular season losses is between 1-2 at Bama. That’s really hard to do.

 

[soflagator]

if my aunt had balls, shed be my uncle. tell me more about all those SEC crowns we lost because spurrier was under .500 against fsu.

I’m not diminishing what Spurrier accomplished. He’ll always be the original architect of a great football program. But I don’t think you can dismiss the fsu issue simply because they aren’t in our conference and division. The point is those nole teams routinely had more talent than us and it showed on the field. The fact that we could lose to them and still win the conference shouldn’t really matter. It’s a pivotal game every year that we lost more than we won. Fortunately, it didn’t kill our SEC hunt.

I think that’s the point that Seabee is making.

I’ve said before, imo, if you swapped Spurrier and Meyer’s respective tenures, I think Urban would have more than 2 SECs and less than his two NCs, and Steve would have fewer SEC’s and more than just the one NC. It’s just a different landscape.

But just as those fsu losses drove us crazy as fans and had many of us livid in years like ‘94,‘94,’96,’98,’00, unfortunately its now the bulldogs that are becoming that thorn in our side. We need to fix it and hopefully Mullen will. But I don’t think it’s an apples to apples comparison when you’re talking about the 90s SEC+fsu vs the modern day SEC+fsu. In the current setup, we can’t claim our division but can win the state. Back then, we could win or conference but we’re regularly second fiddle to Bowden. Both suck, and both have some positives.

 

[TheDouglas78]

With our schedule there is 2 games where coaching comes into play LSU and UGA. UT is like Slevin a pansy wearing tight pants and FSU is sucking more dong than GatorJ on shore leave. The rest of the games could be won on the superior talent that we have in most years, this year we had Auburn whose quarterback sucks balls so hard away from home it makes OX jealous of his skills. The problem isn't the two loses a year, its the type of loses. When there are only two teams on your schedule that you have to truly prepare for and you are 1-3 in those games. It's not a good look. Especially when the performances in those games tend to be uneven. In my opinion we were only truly outcoached in one of those games (UGA '19). But when that is where you have to stake your claim that you are worth $6 Million and are better than the other coaches, you have to do better than winning 1/4th of them. Spurrier also had two games a year, he went .500 against one opponent (FSU) and treated Tennessee like Eagles fans treat Santa Claus (heartless bastards).

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I’m not diminishing what Spurrier accomplished. He’ll always be the original architect of a great football program. But I don’t think you can dismiss the fsu issue simply because they aren’t in our conference and division. The point is those nole teams routinely had more talent than us and it showed on the field. The fact that we could lose to them and still win the conference shouldn’t really matter. It’s a pivotal game every year that we lost more than we won. Fortunately, it didn’t kill our SEC hunt.

I think that’s the point that Seabee is making.

I’ve said before, imo, if you swapped Spurrier and Meyer’s respective tenures, I think Urban would have more than 2 SECs and less than his two NCs, and Steve would have fewer SEC’s and more than just the one NC. It’s just a different landscape.

But just as those fsu losses drove us crazy as fans and had many of us livid in years like ‘94,‘94,’96,’98,’00, unfortunately its now the bulldogs that are becoming that thorn in our side. We need to fix it and hopefully Mullen will. But I don’t think it’s an apples to apples comparison when you’re talking about the 90s SEC+fsu vs the modern day SEC+fsu. In the current setup, we can’t claim our division but can win the state. Back then, we could win or conference but we’re regularly second fiddle to Bowden. Both suck, and both have some positives.

thats all fine and dandy. the only argument i was having was with him saying the gold standard is 2 losses a season. those were his words verbatim, not mine. I said the gold standard is titles. That's the only thing I was discussing. All this what about fsu and if fsu was in the SEC noise is a waste of discussion. It's also a waste of time to talk about how it may or may not be harder now to do the same. It really doesnt matter when it pertains to what is the actual gold standard that a gator coach is measured against. It is titles, whether we play 6 cupcakes or georgia 3 times in a row.

 

[soflagator]

With our schedule there is 2 games where coaching comes into play LSU and UGA. UT is like Slevin a pansy wearing tight pants and FSU is sucking more dong than GatorJ on shore leave. The rest of the games could be won on the superior talent that we have in most years, this year we had Auburn whose quarterback sucks balls so hard away from home it makes OX jealous of his skills. The problem isn't the two loses a year, its the type of loses. When there are only two teams on your schedule that you have to truly prepare for and you are 1-3 in those games. It's not a good look. Especially when the performances in those games tend to be uneven. In my opinion we were only truly outcoached in one of those games (UGA '19). But when that is where you have to stake your claim that you are worth $6 Million and are better than the other coaches, you have to do better than winning 1/4th of them. Spurrier also had two games a year, he went .500 against one opponent (FSU) and treated Tennessee like Eagles fans treat Santa Claus (heartless bastards).

I thought I'd made it all the way through unscathed, with no reference. Then, the last sentence.

I'll take it though. As far as UF opponent comparisons, we were down to Ut-Martin, Vanderbilt and Towson. I don't have to tell you, I was sweating bullets.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Mullen’s lost his team’s respect? I’ll log in two hours from now to find out Mullen has become a serial killer.

No, no. The previous two disasters lost the team, and they became 4 win teams.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

What percentage of existing or recent coaches could reach 10 wins?

CUM, Chimp, and Butters did. How far back do we have to go?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

No, I said Chump Butters and WiLLLLLLLie would have do worse than 9-10 wins.

This is such a weird ass argument.

CHUMP AND BUTTERS BOTH HAD 10 WIN SEASONS. We you drunk those years.

 

[AugustaGator]

This is such a weird ass argument.

CHUMP AND BUTTERS BOTH HAD 10 WIN SEASONS. We you drunk those years.

Speaking of this roster.

 

[AugustaGator]

CUM, Chimp, and Butters did. How far back do we have to go?

So you’d like to have Chump, Butters, Willie, Mark Stoops, Kelly, Addazio, Kiffin, Bielema, Harbaugh, Lambert, Montgomery et al...over Dan?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

So you’d like to have Chump, Butters, WiLLLLLLLie, Mark Stoops, Kelly, Addazio, Kiffin, Bielema, Harbaugh, Lambert, Montgomery et al...over Dan?

I don't know who Lambert and Montogmery are.

There rest, except Willie, are about the same.

 

[AugustaGator]

I don't know who Lambert and Montogmery are.

There rest, except WiLLLLLLLie, are about the same.

Coaches in my area. So you’d that them as well as Dan. God to know.

I heard there was a shortage of Captain Morgan’s in the states.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

This is such a weird ass argument.

CHUMP AND BUTTERS BOTH HAD 10 WIN SEASONS. We you drunk those years.

I usually was by halftime during those years

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I usually was by halftime during those years

Porpoise baby.