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2022 State of the Board: A new era for UF
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So much negativity
As someone else said the other day, you're a cool guy. I wish more people handled the ribbing like you do. Too much sensitivity amongst many of us (I'm guilty of it too). But we're all Gators and therefore all on the same side in the end.
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don't go anywhere bro. Hold your position if that's how you feel. A year or 2 from now you could be serving us all a lot of crow, calling us fuchstards and saying I told you so. It's sorta the best part of the board
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I was adamantly against the prospects of hiring Napier and made that abundantly clear during the coaching search. To me it was just the same old same old looking for the cheap diamond in the rough, while the USC's and LSU's were backing up the Brinks truck. Once we made the hire, my view started to change as I started hearing we were actually going to invest in the football program, which is one of the things I've complained about for years. I'm now in a cautiously optimistic mode based mainly of Napier press conference. I found Napier to be extremely genuine and refreshingly blunt. I'm actually looking forward to the offseason and expect that I'll have an irrational exuberance as the season approaches for the first time in recent memory.
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Been married 41 years (yes same one) and working in shops full of loud and crude guys gives me pretty thick skin. It doesn't bother me when someone says "I reamed your ma last night". Now if they move to Daughters then there will be some discussions.
As for the Napster I have a wait and see attitude, We may have to learn the word "patience" when it comes to the rebuild, But yeah I was a bit bummed when I heard it was BN or bust. Most don't marry the first person they laid.
That said Ox you usually leave things be but the few times you say "Take it to the lounge" I have no issue with it. There has to be some guidelines. Just don't get too big for your britches.
That said a nipple here and there never hurt no one. edit, FEMALE nipple
As for the Napster I have a wait and see attitude, We may have to learn the word "patience" when it comes to the rebuild, But yeah I was a bit bummed when I heard it was BN or bust. Most don't marry the first person they laid.
That said Ox you usually leave things be but the few times you say "Take it to the lounge" I have no issue with it. There has to be some guidelines. Just don't get too big for your britches.
That said a nipple here and there never hurt no one. edit, FEMALE nipple
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Ox is right in how some of this started. I’ve always felt like GCMB was formed by cast offs who didn’t fit in at GSMB and didn’t go to SwampGas or other similar boards, but rather found themselves here instead. All of this happened late in the off-season sandwiched between our first losing season since Reagan and an extremely unpopular “let’s get this over with” type season in 2014. We all knew what was coming. So it was almost born in negativity. And other than a few brief moments the following year and the last 2-3, there hasn’t been a lot to shift that. I’m probably as guilty as anyone because I use this place as a brief stress relief from work where I can channel my sarcastic personality. I much preferred when I could start threads like “Dear Greg Reid” and others, but unfortunately we’ve been the punching bag of late, and my focus goes there. There are some here that do really try to give a new guy a fair shake and others who are already pissed before the opening remarks. But I think that’s just a product of the past decade. I doubt people in Oklahoma are as down on Venables—a first time ever HC—as many are here with someone like Napier. That’s not so much on the people themselves, but the circumstances they’ve been dealt.
That said, I do agree that there’s really no reason to be overly nitpicky with the change. There are multiple signs that UF has made a 180 at the top and the brand is being rebuilt. I’m fully on board, though I readily admit that I basically always do this, and don’t expect others to follow suit. But I do think that we are dawning a new era in that our commitment is in line with the market and it’s largely due to what BN has expected. So for that, he deserves a tremendous amount of praise and credit. I’ve said before that while recruits and players don’t necessarily read this board, stuff gets taken from here and Tweeted, re-Tweeted and so on and it can paint a very negative picture of the support UF has. So I hope some of that gets scaled back and we don’t let the past 3 coaches dictate our view of this one. Otherwise, what’s the point?
On Law/Donk, he definitely has his moments where he can be overboard. Feels like I’ve been arguing with him since the 5th grade. But I think he’s just an extreme version of what I just described all of us as. As recent as week 5, he was going to see UF in Lexington and was actually excited to be there. I can tell you from the interactions I’ve had outside the board, he’s a really good guy that you probably wouldn’t expect. He simply lets his emotions get the best of him in here at times. Hopefully he does his time and comes back.
Yikes at how many words I just wrote. Just go to page 8, neteng. You’re probably right on this one.
That said, I do agree that there’s really no reason to be overly nitpicky with the change. There are multiple signs that UF has made a 180 at the top and the brand is being rebuilt. I’m fully on board, though I readily admit that I basically always do this, and don’t expect others to follow suit. But I do think that we are dawning a new era in that our commitment is in line with the market and it’s largely due to what BN has expected. So for that, he deserves a tremendous amount of praise and credit. I’ve said before that while recruits and players don’t necessarily read this board, stuff gets taken from here and Tweeted, re-Tweeted and so on and it can paint a very negative picture of the support UF has. So I hope some of that gets scaled back and we don’t let the past 3 coaches dictate our view of this one. Otherwise, what’s the point?
On Law/Donk, he definitely has his moments where he can be overboard. Feels like I’ve been arguing with him since the 5th grade. But I think he’s just an extreme version of what I just described all of us as. As recent as week 5, he was going to see UF in Lexington and was actually excited to be there. I can tell you from the interactions I’ve had outside the board, he’s a really good guy that you probably wouldn’t expect. He simply lets his emotions get the best of him in here at times. Hopefully he does his time and comes back.
Yikes at how many words I just wrote. Just go to page 8, neteng. You’re probably right on this one.
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Well I took a long leave from this board the last year or so and coming back to chat with SD was part of why I started posting again. (I guess that might be a reason for Ox to make his ban permanent.)
There are only two things that have bothered me on this board during my time here. The first is the gratuitous criticims of people particularly coaches for physical traits they can't change. "Butter teeth" is a prime example to me. It irriated me but I was willing to ignore that along with a few other juvenile practices here. My second problem was the very uneven moderation and that too I mostly ignored.
I find it pretty easy to ignore most of what I don't like on a mesage board. There real question here and really for any message board is how much do you want to moderate it. The more moderated a board the less interesting it will be ala GatorCountry, but of course too unmoderated a board clique can shout down all who disagree and that become uninteresting too.
As far as this hire goes, I am shocked at the positivity here. Almost as shocked as I am shocked that the people in the UAA still have no clue about UF football and the UF football fan base. Among the factual things that cause me to doubt the Napier hire are:
1. Napier is a McElwain acolyte!!!!
2. Napier was fired at Clemson just before their offense took off and they became a national contender.
3. U.A.L. allowed Napier to leave and follow McElwain to CSU just before the U.A.L offense got much much better as Saban recognized that offenses win championships.
4. Napier's offenses in the last two years ranked 89th and 80th in the country in passing yards per game.
5. Did I mention that Napier is a McElwain acolyte??????????
That said,
A. I did not like the Zook hire, did not think a demoted Spurrier DC would work out but hoped I was wrong and that UF would continue winning.
B. I did not like the Muschamp hire, did not think a defense first UGa dawg was the right guy for this job, but hoped I was wrong and that UF would get back to winning consistently.
C. I did not like the McElwain hire, did not think trying to be U.A.L would work at UF, but hoped I was wrong and that UF would get back to competing at the very top.
D. I did not like the Mullen hire, did not think hiring a guy whose wife had already complained about us from the uneven Meyer days was best for UF, but I hoped I was wrong and UF might have some really good seasons ala the Meyer uneven years. (UF almost did in 2020.)
E. I do not like this Napier hire, do not think trying to be U.A.L. with a McElwain acolyte is right for UF, but I am again hoping I am wrong.
Sadly it did not work out the other times I hoped I was wrong. So I have no reason to believe it will work out this time, but I sincerely hope I am wrong as a fan and for the sake of the kids in the program.
So I am back to shaking my head about Stricklin and really probably Foley still thinking that can turn UF football into a run first operation and keep fans coming. Programs have a certain DNA. Given the tradition of running the ball at AU, he might fit great there. It will be very very hard for a coach who runs the ball more than passes the ball and passes for so few yards per game to keep the fan base on his side. From Ray Graves, through Spurrier, even somewhat through Meyer UF is a program whose fans expect a stylish productive offense. Like Muschamp and McElwain I don't see that as a high priority for Napier. Again I hope he proves me wrong.
There are only two things that have bothered me on this board during my time here. The first is the gratuitous criticims of people particularly coaches for physical traits they can't change. "Butter teeth" is a prime example to me. It irriated me but I was willing to ignore that along with a few other juvenile practices here. My second problem was the very uneven moderation and that too I mostly ignored.
I find it pretty easy to ignore most of what I don't like on a mesage board. There real question here and really for any message board is how much do you want to moderate it. The more moderated a board the less interesting it will be ala GatorCountry, but of course too unmoderated a board clique can shout down all who disagree and that become uninteresting too.
As far as this hire goes, I am shocked at the positivity here. Almost as shocked as I am shocked that the people in the UAA still have no clue about UF football and the UF football fan base. Among the factual things that cause me to doubt the Napier hire are:
1. Napier is a McElwain acolyte!!!!
2. Napier was fired at Clemson just before their offense took off and they became a national contender.
3. U.A.L. allowed Napier to leave and follow McElwain to CSU just before the U.A.L offense got much much better as Saban recognized that offenses win championships.
4. Napier's offenses in the last two years ranked 89th and 80th in the country in passing yards per game.
5. Did I mention that Napier is a McElwain acolyte??????????
That said,
A. I did not like the Zook hire, did not think a demoted Spurrier DC would work out but hoped I was wrong and that UF would continue winning.
B. I did not like the Muschamp hire, did not think a defense first UGa dawg was the right guy for this job, but hoped I was wrong and that UF would get back to winning consistently.
C. I did not like the McElwain hire, did not think trying to be U.A.L would work at UF, but hoped I was wrong and that UF would get back to competing at the very top.
D. I did not like the Mullen hire, did not think hiring a guy whose wife had already complained about us from the uneven Meyer days was best for UF, but I hoped I was wrong and UF might have some really good seasons ala the Meyer uneven years. (UF almost did in 2020.)
E. I do not like this Napier hire, do not think trying to be U.A.L. with a McElwain acolyte is right for UF, but I am again hoping I am wrong.
Sadly it did not work out the other times I hoped I was wrong. So I have no reason to believe it will work out this time, but I sincerely hope I am wrong as a fan and for the sake of the kids in the program.
So I am back to shaking my head about Stricklin and really probably Foley still thinking that can turn UF football into a run first operation and keep fans coming. Programs have a certain DNA. Given the tradition of running the ball at AU, he might fit great there. It will be very very hard for a coach who runs the ball more than passes the ball and passes for so few yards per game to keep the fan base on his side. From Ray Graves, through Spurrier, even somewhat through Meyer UF is a program whose fans expect a stylish productive offense. Like Muschamp and McElwain I don't see that as a high priority for Napier. Again I hope he proves me wrong.
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Negative comments about something you cant change sets a depressing tone. Critiquing programmatics in the hope someone with authority will read and heed is a different animal. Most of us are Gators and want the best for the institution but internalize failure of a sport team way too much. My hand is up here. We didn't get Chump, Sharkey or Eddie fired. There are Gators who care as deeply as we do and have the wherewithal to do something. Stop fighting among ourselves and enjoy being Florida Men.
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No matter where you go in life, there will always be that cancer that wants to bring the place down.
Nothing will ever make them happy. Like Tony Soprano once said, "She's like a woman with a Virginia ham under her arm, crying the blues 'cause she has no bread."
I try and get behind the coach that we have whether I like them or not. I see the Gators going 15-0 every year. That's why they are preseason #1 on the Homer Poll.
Calling a Heisman candidate TRASH is laughable. You're not a fan, you're a troll. Find a different place to hang out and let the real fans express their opinions.
And, the crap about your mother this and your mother that is juvenile. It's not funny. Maybe I'm getting old. I don't even talk like that to my old combat buddies.
Nothing will ever make them happy. Like Tony Soprano once said, "She's like a woman with a Virginia ham under her arm, crying the blues 'cause she has no bread."
I try and get behind the coach that we have whether I like them or not. I see the Gators going 15-0 every year. That's why they are preseason #1 on the Homer Poll.
Calling a Heisman candidate TRASH is laughable. You're not a fan, you're a troll. Find a different place to hang out and let the real fans express their opinions.
And, the crap about your mother this and your mother that is juvenile. It's not funny. Maybe I'm getting old. I don't even talk like that to my old combat buddies.
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I support the hire of Napier . However before I present my reasons, I want to come clean that I originally thought Mullen was a smart hire. Long tenured SEC coach, a so called QB whisperer, and someone who participated in the championship years at UF and had a realistic acceptance of the pressure. Something came unhinged with him and he regressed so badly that he made McElwain look good.
Anyway no more Mullen.
I like Napier because he understands that to be successful he needs to tear down and rebuild the entire program. I have been a long time critic of our lack of focus and the lack of commitment to analytics , player development and recruiting. Napier referenced these factors at his PC. I am also encouraged that Stricklin the UAA and Fuchs seem to finally understand that UF football is big business and the mission is to win championships. Hope others caught the fact that Napier referenced boosters as "investors" . Never thought I would hear that from our HC. It is going to take a while to turn the program around ,but for the first time in a long time I feel like we have the HC ,administration and investors, on the same page.
As far as GC , it is true that no one suffers a win like Gator football fans. I am older and can safely say that nothing about Gator football surprises me any more. I enjoy the back and forth ball busting, and for the most part we have some pretty sharp posters who know a lot about the program and where it is heading. I like the information and insight that I get.
I would like to see us lighten up on the personal attacks, but I like the fact that everyone is free to express their opinions. I am ok with how we are set up and the freedom of dialogue. More importantly GC makes me laugh. At times that is enough.
Anyway no more Mullen.
I like Napier because he understands that to be successful he needs to tear down and rebuild the entire program. I have been a long time critic of our lack of focus and the lack of commitment to analytics , player development and recruiting. Napier referenced these factors at his PC. I am also encouraged that Stricklin the UAA and Fuchs seem to finally understand that UF football is big business and the mission is to win championships. Hope others caught the fact that Napier referenced boosters as "investors" . Never thought I would hear that from our HC. It is going to take a while to turn the program around ,but for the first time in a long time I feel like we have the HC ,administration and investors, on the same page.
As far as GC , it is true that no one suffers a win like Gator football fans. I am older and can safely say that nothing about Gator football surprises me any more. I enjoy the back and forth ball busting, and for the most part we have some pretty sharp posters who know a lot about the program and where it is heading. I like the information and insight that I get.
I would like to see us lighten up on the personal attacks, but I like the fact that everyone is free to express their opinions. I am ok with how we are set up and the freedom of dialogue. More importantly GC makes me laugh. At times that is enough.
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I think it was Ox who once said get a life people "this is like a sports bar", and it is. The line to be drawn is similar to the line in a sports bar. When things are said that bring people in a real sports bar to actual blows, then it's time for the bouncers to throw them out. Otherwise have at it.
I like Donk. He makes me laugh. I get it. This time he went too far. Hope he comes back.
I like Donk. He makes me laugh. I get it. This time he went too far. Hope he comes back.
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I read this and find myself wondering if you've ever actually gone to a sports bar with a bunch of good friends. This is how guys talk to each other. It isn't a place for children and only the occasional badass woman.
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God forbid we point out the AD spent less than 2 minutes shopping the discount bin while other programs at least tried to make big moves. It remains to be seen which coaches will be successful, but we shouldn’t be forced to pretend to be happy about settling. Hope I am wrong and end up having to eat crow, but I’d put it at about a 90% chance we are in this exact same position 3 years from now.
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Naw man, I never touched her. I'm old and ugly and all, but a guy's got to have some standards.
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I don’t really agree with what you said here, but this is the most non-trollish coherent thought I’ve heard out of you in years. You can actually contribute if you put forth an effort. Maybe you should post more.
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What was it you said to me earlier? "Shh. Don't do that. Just nod and move on" ;)
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I’ve been down on this board in the past when I was getting excited about a new coach. I though it was too negative, too harsh through my orange and blue glasses. But I learned a lot of things along the way and grew to appreciate the insight and bluntness of donkey and ox and several others. I don’t always agree but I’m usually willing to listen and love looking at things from different angles. Growth is exciting for me and I’m grateful to those who challenge me and change my mind.
I love the ball busting and don’t mind criticism. I love to laugh. Where I grew up, your friends bust your balls ruthlessly and creative yo momma jokes have currency. I enjoy that but appreciate that some do not and may take offense. I don’t mind toning it down if that’s the consensus.
I know this board has a rep for being negative, but I’ve come to see a place like swampgas as more negative. That place stifles people. There’s a party line you have to toe. If you don’t, it’s personal attacks galore. If you do, you get praised excessively. It’s like a little cult. There’s a term in psychology, toxic positivity. That’s when a kid gets scapegoated by a family because they speak up and tell the truth about the dysfunction (mom’s drinking, dad’s rages, etc). That’s how I see that place. I think GC is healthier. The elephants in the room are fully visible. People speak their minds. BS gets called out whether it’s from posters, the athletic department, or a bad coach. I’ve grown to love it.
I’ve grown to respect you Ox and what you’ve done here. And I’m sorry about that ****ty message I sent you a few years ago. You’re not as thin skinned as I once thought you were. I don’t always agree of course, but my time here is valuable to me.
Napier wasn’t on my wish list, but what do I know? My wish list sucks. I like what I’ve seen and I’m excited. The mood of this board concerning Napier is a good sign and has me feeling hopeful. But I think if people see red flags they shouldn’t be discouraged from saying their piece.
I love the ball busting and don’t mind criticism. I love to laugh. Where I grew up, your friends bust your balls ruthlessly and creative yo momma jokes have currency. I enjoy that but appreciate that some do not and may take offense. I don’t mind toning it down if that’s the consensus.
I know this board has a rep for being negative, but I’ve come to see a place like swampgas as more negative. That place stifles people. There’s a party line you have to toe. If you don’t, it’s personal attacks galore. If you do, you get praised excessively. It’s like a little cult. There’s a term in psychology, toxic positivity. That’s when a kid gets scapegoated by a family because they speak up and tell the truth about the dysfunction (mom’s drinking, dad’s rages, etc). That’s how I see that place. I think GC is healthier. The elephants in the room are fully visible. People speak their minds. BS gets called out whether it’s from posters, the athletic department, or a bad coach. I’ve grown to love it.
I’ve grown to respect you Ox and what you’ve done here. And I’m sorry about that ****ty message I sent you a few years ago. You’re not as thin skinned as I once thought you were. I don’t always agree of course, but my time here is valuable to me.
Napier wasn’t on my wish list, but what do I know? My wish list sucks. I like what I’ve seen and I’m excited. The mood of this board concerning Napier is a good sign and has me feeling hopeful. But I think if people see red flags they shouldn’t be discouraged from saying their piece.
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