Hockey player killed on the ice; perp arrested for manslaughter

[URGatorBait]

Not in the main forum. That’s always been the rule. And those weren’t jokes.

Egor ain't too bright

 

[TN G8tr]

In all my years, I cannot recollect at anytime a leg being that high. Maybe if the player had been actively knocked off both feet or sent into the air. I would say it would be very hard to prove the contact was not intentional. Saw last night on the news that guy was the most penalized player in that league last year.

 

[oxrageous]

At the absolute bare minimum, his hockey career should be over.

 

[MJMGator]

Egor ain't too bright

 

[Spurdog98]

If you kick someone in the throat with sneakers your trying to do them harm. If you kick them in the throat with ice skates on you can assume that the possibility exists that you could kill them. He needs to be charged.

 

[soflagator]

It’s pretty simple. Kill someone in a car accident while driving within the normal framework of the law, it’s a tragedy, but you wouldn’t be charged. Kill someone in a car accident while excessively speeding, under the influence, or knowingly being distracted in some other irresponsible form, you are probably going to get a manslaughter charge. Hockey is a violent sport, and if a player was checked or into and hit his head and died, it would be the first car accident example. The moment you intentionally kick someone with your skate, especially high, you’re no longer within the general framework of the sport. It’s not murder, but it certainly worthy of manslaughter.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

It’s pretty simple. Kill someone in a car accident while driving within the normal framework of the law, it’s a tragedy, but you wouldn’t be charged. Kill someone in a car accident while excessively speeding, under the influence, or knowingly, being distracted I some other irresponsible form, you are probably going to get a manslaughter charge. Hockey is a violent sport, and if a player was checked or into and hit his head and died, it would be the first car accident example. The moment you intentionally kick someone with your skate, especially high, you’re no longer within the general framework of the sport. It’s not murder, but it certainly worthy of manslaughter.

i think it is murder. intent is hard to prove but that video is hard to deny. he made a beeline straight for the dude, then made a completely unnatural and non-hockey related move to flip his leg around and kick him high. that intentional act to injure resulted in death.

If you walk up to someone and crack them upside the head, you may not have intended to kill them, but if they die, you are getting charged with murder. I see zero daylight between that scenario and what this sht stain did.

 

[soflagator]

i think it is murder. intent is hard to prove but that video is hard to deny. he made a beeline straight for the dude, then made a completely unnatural and non-hockey related move to flip his leg around and kick him high. that intentional act to injure resulted in death.

If you walk up to someone and crack them upside the head, you may not have intended to kill them, but if they die, you are getting charged with murder. I see zero daylight between that scenario and what this sht stain did.

Don’t get me wrong. If I wrote the rules, it would be murder. As it is, though, he’d unlikely every be convicted and, without knowing the context, it would be impossible to prove there was direct intent to kill. No question the guy should be in jail.

 

[Detroitgator]

It’s pretty simple. Kill someone in a car accident while driving within the normal framework of the law, it’s a tragedy, but you wouldn’t be charged. Kill someone in a car accident while excessively speeding, under the influence, or knowingly, being distracted I some other irresponsible form, you are probably going to get a manslaughter charge. Hockey is a violent sport, and if a player was checked or into and hit his head and died, it would be the first car accident example. The moment you intentionally kick someone with your skate, especially high, you’re no longer within the general framework of the sport. It’s not murder, but it certainly worthy of manslaughter.

Slew footing is a penalty in every hockey league on the planet. Depending on the result of slew footing, it can be a minor or a major, and lead to other sanctions.

So in this case, it is intentional, and because of the outcome, whether it was intended or not, I think should definitely be manslaughter or some kind of reckless endangerment. In fact, I have NEVER seen someone slew a foot like that, not even close.

I think Marty McSorely should have gone to jail for his hit on Brashear back when that happened.

 

[Silverback Gator]

It’s pretty simple. Kill someone in a car accident while driving within the normal framework of the law, it’s a tragedy, but you wouldn’t be charged. Kill someone in a car accident while excessively speeding, under the influence, or knowingly being distracted in some other irresponsible form, you are probably going to get a manslaughter charge. Hockey is a violent sport, and if a player was checked or into and hit his head and died, it would be the first car accident example. The moment you intentionally kick someone with your skate, especially high, you’re no longer within the general framework of the sport. It’s not murder, but it certainly worthy of manslaughter.

So here, I would think they can never establish intent. But he still raised his leg and the death was caused. I do not see how he can ever play again, how the league can let him. At minimum, suspension until the team can legally remove him.

 

[Silverback Gator]

Could you imagine the uproar if the roles were reversed?

100%. The ACLU would probably get involved.

 

[Gator By Marriage]

Slew footing is a penalty in every hockey league on the planet. Depending on the result of slew footing, it can be a minor or a major, and lead to other sanctions.

So in this case, it is intentional, and because of the outcome, whether it was intended or not, I think should definitely be manslaughter or some kind of reckless endangerment. In fact, I have NEVER seen someone slew a foot like that, not even close.

I think Marty McSorely should have gone to jail for his hit on Brashear back when that happened.

Even the Hanson Brothers would have drawn the line at slew footing like that!

 

[GatorJ]

100%. The ACLU would probably get involved.

Keep politics out

 

[Silverback Gator]

Keep politics out

Agreed. But it was Gold.

 

[maheo30]

I know nothing about hockey. I have a hard time seeing how his leg should be that high. However, everyone I've seen who plays the game thinks it was just a terrible accident. I'm at a loss as to how. None of them have explained how that could happen by accident.

 

[Detroitgator]

I know nothing about hockey. I have a hard time seeing how his leg should be that high. However, everyone I've seen who plays the game thinks it was just a terrible accident. I'm at a loss as to how. None of them have explained how that could happen by accident.

Again, I don't think for a minute he intended to seriously injure, let alone kill, the other player. However, as someone who started playing hockey at age 5, the movement he made with his leg to try to break up the play (the guy had the puck and was going around him) was intentional, is a penalty/not allowed in any league, at any age, anywhere on the planet. The question is, what do you do to him.

That said, I think this incident was 1000% less intentional than what Marty McSorley did to Brashear (and I never liked Brashear). While he never played another game, he was only suspended, not booted from hockey, and he got probation on the assault charge. Bertuzzi's sucker punch from behind to Moore was probably even worse.

But to go back to Sofla's analogy, he "broke the law" and someone died because of it.

 

[Altitude Gator]

Strange things from the UK:

Arrest him on suspicion of manslaughter.

REPORT: Police Arrest Man on Suspicion of Manslaughter in Hockey Player Adam Johnson's Death

Police in England have arrested a man on suspicion of manslaughter in the in-game death of former NHL player Adam Johnson last month, The Daily Mail Online reports.

www.breitbart.com

But first, the fans of the killer's team had to give him a standing ovation in support:

British Hockey Fans Give Standing Ovation for Matt Petgrave, Player Involved in Incident That Killed in Adam Johnson

British hockey fans gave player Matt Petgrave a sustained standing ovation when his photo appeared on the arena big screen Sunday.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Silverback Gator]

Strange things from the UK:

Arrest him on suspicion of manslaughter.

REPORT: Police Arrest Man on Suspicion of Manslaughter in Hockey Player Adam Johnson's Death

Police in England have arrested a man on suspicion of manslaughter in the in-game death of former NHL player Adam Johnson last month, The Daily Mail Online reports.

www.breitbart.com

But first, the fans of the killer's team had to give him a standing ovation in support:

British Hockey Fans Give Standing Ovation for Matt Petgrave, Player Involved in Incident That Killed in Adam Johnson

British hockey fans gave player Matt Petgrave a sustained standing ovation when his photo appeared on the arena big screen Sunday.

www.breitbart.com

Well, they do eat blood pudding over there.

 

[Bushmaster]

Guy has a punchable face. That alone should lead to murder charges and the death penalty.

 

[Gatorbait25]

Again, I don't think for a minute he intended to seriously injure, let alone kill, the other player. However, as someone who started playing hockey at age 5, the movement he made with his leg to try to break up the play (the guy had the puck and was going around him) was intentional, is a penalty/not allowed in any league, at any age, anywhere on the planet. The question is, what do you do to him.

That said, I think this incident was 1000% less intentional than what Marty McSorley did to Brashear (and I never liked Brashear). While he never played another game, he was only suspended, not booted from hockey, and he got probation on the assault charge. Bertuzzi's sucker punch from behind to Moore was probably even worse.

But to go back to Sofla's analogy, he "broke the law" and someone died because of it.

I agree 100 percent with your first sentence . This is a penalty , not a crime that should be prosecuted.