Does This Explain Why Jim is Unhappy?

[cover2]

I like the idea on the surface, but agents aren't stupid and won't fall for that. We're clearly trying to work the system because we don't want to pay for our mistakes. There'd already be enough heat due to the perception of him winning the East in his first 2 years and us being spoiled. That would only make matters worse.

We just need to take off the neck brace and accept that we made a bad move. If we have a problem dropping millions yet again on a buyout, maybe we should look at our evaluation process and who’s making these decisions.

Clearly, the process is in need of evaluation and reconfiguration IMO. This is to include the decision makers as well.

 

[TheSaintThing05]

Is this info just from some random poster or a writer or something? Im intrigued, but not getting my hopes up.

 

[BMF]

Headline I want to see:

"McElwain relieved for cause"

 

[TLB]

He was definitely trying to get the oregon job. No way Oregon would target UF's coach. I doubt he finds a job after his flame out this year.

Apologies if I misunderstood your Oregon as Oregon, rather than Oregon State. I think he'd be fine in Oregon State, they are second tier in their conference on a regular basis and he'd be a good fit. Oregon, on the other hand, is also 'spoiled' in having had some level of success and I sincerely doubt they would want a guy who was given the talent and resources UF is perceived to have, and couldn't get it done. Any program that has tasted success will not want a guy who was given such a plum job and blew it. I think you are right, after his flame out at UF I agree he likely won't find a job....unless it is at an Oregon State level program, or lower.

 

[t-gator]

Apologies if I misunderstood your Oregon as Oregon, rather than Oregon State. I think he'd be fine in Oregon State, they are second tier in their conference on a regular basis and he'd be a good fit. Oregon, on the other hand, is also 'spoiled' in having had some level of success and I sincerely doubt they would want a guy who was given the talent and resources UF is perceived to have, and couldn't get it done. Any program that has tasted success will not want a guy who was given such a plum job and blew it. I think you are right, after his flame out at UF I agree he likely won't find a job....unless it is at an Oregon State level program, or lower.

Last year during Oregon's coaching search, his name kept popping up. You don't remember? Alot of us were fantasizing about them hiring mac away.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

He referred to it being "perception", not a truth.

Your post seemed rather sarcastic and in keeping with some of your disagreements with the sentiments of other posters in stating, "That idea has been thoroughly and voluminously refuted right here on this board. So, please....."

If I'm wrong, my apologies.

Your only possible mistake is that I, too, view it as a perception. Indeed, I believe that the word "viewed" means "is perceived as" in this context. As to sarcasm, I have to plead guilty. Posters who interact with other SEC fans and don't recognize how we are frequently perceived seem impervious to straight forward discussion.

 

[rogdochar]

Clearly, the process is in need of evaluation and reconfiguration IMO. This is to include the decision makers as well.

... too bad these decisions are made by hire ups.

 

[soflagator]

".... Us being spoiled." I hope you are not suggesting that the UF fans are perceived any differently than other fans. That idea has been thoroughly and voluminously refuted right here on this board. So, please.....

I think you're joking, but not sure.

No I don't think we're that much different than most college football fans of programs with a history of winning. That said, sports writers don't watch every game, much less each play. They simply don't have the time. So they will see a team in the gutter that McElwain rescued by winning 9/10 games his first two seasons and getting us back to Atl, where we hadn't been since Tebow. They won't see the "9-7 pver Vu" or "OT to beat FAU" along the way. Right or wrong, it will be the narrative and we'd be naive to think otherwise.

For that matter, in 2004 we were largely hit with the "empty cupboard" comments when we canned Zook, despite the fact that a sizable portion of his 2002 starters were currently playing in the NFL. In 2014 all we heard was "my God, the injuries" and "11 wins, 11 wins".

It's never easy doing what needs to be done, and any criticism will pass. I'm just not sure we should try to go cheap along the way, using a technicality to get out of paying him. It should hurt. That's the only way we'll learn to not keep repeating the same mistakes.

As Slevin suggested, if anyone deserves to be shorted, it's Foley.

 

[T REX]

I think you're joking, but not sure.

No I don't think we're that much different than most college football fans of programs with a history of winning. That said, sports writers don't watch every game, much less each play. They simply don't have the time. So they will see a team in the gutter that McElwain rescued by winning 9/10 games his first two seasons and getting us back to Atl, where we hadn't been since Tebow. They won't see the "9-7 pver Vu" or "OT to beat FAU" along the way. Right or wrong, it will be the narrative and we'd be naive to think otherwise.

For that matter, in 2004 we were largely hit with the "empty cupboard" comments when we canned Zook, despite the fact that a sizable portion of his 2002 starters were currently playing in the NFL. In 2014 all we heard was "my God, the injuries" and "11 wins, 11 wins".

It's never easy doing what needs to be done, and any criticism will pass. I'm just not sure we should try to go cheap along the way, using a technicality to get out of paying him. It should hurt. That's the only way we'll learn to not keep repeating the same mistakes.

As Slevin suggested, if anyone deserves to be shorted, it's Foley.

I get what you are saying. He got us to ATL twice. Who cares...it was the worst the East has ever been and there are some folks on this site that tried to argue otherwise IN DEFENSE of him. Crazy.

Edit: And I really think Mac thought those were MAJOR accomplishments.

 

[diehardg8r]

Headline I want to see:

"McElwain relieved for cause"

That might just mean he took a dump and is feeling better.

Headline I'd rather see.

"McElwain fired..............finally. Hired by Claribelle to play fetch"!

 

[divits]

It's never easy doing what needs to be done, and any criticism will pass. I'm just not sure we should try to go cheap along the way, using a technicality to get out of paying him. It should hurt. That's the only way we'll learn to not keep repeating the same mistakes.

Spoken like a true free market capitalist. Very proud of ya'.

 

[rogdochar]

... strikes me as "deja pooh", ugh, we've stepped in this before ( Zook, Chimp).

 

[Gator87]

Headline I want to see:

"McElwain relieved for cause"

cause he sucks at his job.

 

[gatordad3]

UF should contact UCF and see about a coaching staff swap, he is , at best, a mid-major coach.

I'm sorry, if I were UCF, I'd tell UF to f*** themselves.

 

[soflagator]

I get what you are saying. He got us to ATL twice. Who cares...it was the worst the East has ever been and there are some folks on this site that tried to argue otherwise IN DEFENSE of him. Crazy.

Edit: And I really think Mac thought those were MAJOR accomplishments.

I'm convinced that you do a search for the words "McElwain" and "Atl" and immediately spring into action, dismissing what was actually posted to repeat your flawed mantra.

I didn't say that I felt his winning the East twice warranted his staying. Rather, I specifically stated that those who merely see the box scores and end of year records would say that, despite the ugly performances that got us there, and that would be the narrative.

*And again, you can keep repeating it all you'd like, but the East has been garbage for most of the last 7 years. The winner in 2014 was beaten 34-0 at home by uga and lost to Indiana. The 2010 East had a grand total of 2 teams that won more than 7 games all year. No matter how much you'd like it to be true, the division didn't just magically become terrible the moment we won it. This argument is beyond stale.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

I think you're joking, but not sure.

No I don't think we're that much different than most college football fans of programs with a history of winning. That said, sports writers don't watch every game, much less each play. They simply don't have the time. So they will see a team in the gutter that McElwain rescued by winning 9/10 games his first two seasons and getting us back to Atl, where we hadn't been since Tebow. They won't see the "9-7 pver Vu" or "OT to beat FAU" along the way. Right or wrong, it will be the narrative and we'd be naive to think otherwise.

For that matter, in 2004 we were largely hit with the "empty cupboard" comments when we canned Zook, despite the fact that a sizable portion of his 2002 starters were currently playing in the NFL. In 2014 all we heard was "my God, the injuries" and "11 wins, 11 wins".

It's never easy doing what needs to be done, and any criticism will pass. I'm just not sure we should try to go cheap along the way, using a technicality to get out of paying him. It should hurt. That's the only way we'll learn to not keep repeating the same mistakes.

As Slevin suggested, if anyone deserves to be shorted, it's Foley.

Love your posts, sofla, but I am only half joking. I disagree on the perception question. I think a lot of SEC fans view us as having Bama like sense of entitlement without bama's winning record. I also think that the perception of a spoiled attitude could hurt us in attracting a new coach if we're not careful.

 

[jdh5484]

New and Improved

 

[T REX]

I'm convinced that you do a search for the words "McElwain" and "Atl" and immediately spring into action, dismissing what was actually posted to repeat your flawed mantra.

I didn't say that I felt his winning the East twice warranted his staying. Rather, I specifically stated that those who merely see the box scores and end of year records would say that, despite the ugly performances that got us there, and that would be the narrative.

*And again, you can keep repeating it all you'd like, but the East has been garbage for most of the last 7 years. The winner in 2014 was beaten 34-0 at home by uga and lost to Indiana. The 2010 East had a grand total of 2 teams that won more than 7 games all year. No matter how much you'd like it to be true, the division didn't just magically become terrible the moment we won it. This argument is beyond stale.

Whoa dude...I never said you did. I was agreeing with your entire premise and post.

My bad...

 

[lagator]

What if no one gives him feelers back?

NFL assistant for a couple years then try to get another HC job. He probably is hoping to get fired since then he still gets paid and can get out from under the job he clearly isn't capable of doing. The pressure is getting to him, but not enough to leave 8 figures on the table.

 

[Jenny On The Railroad]

Translation, he's basically a child. He's the guy that sucks at his job so before he can get fired he quits.

That's OK. If he quits, UF doesn't have the buyout. It's a win win for all. He saves what's left of his dignity, and we're free.