Riley Cole - Bama LB commit

[Bama&GatorFan]

So your position is that the full scholarship offer that was made for the 2016 school year is still on the table for him... Even though it isn't.

And if he intends to use that 2016 school year scholarship just as was offered by bama and accepted by him, he will be on scholarship during that period... Even though he will be paying his own way...

thanks for the laugh, I enjoyed it.


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Please, please, PLEASE show some evidence that demonstrates where his scholarship was withdrawn by Alabama. I have shown my evidence that demonstrates it was not. Your turn.
Or can you only call names?

 

[grengadgy]

Save yourself the aggravation, Bama/Gator.....Some posters on this board think that if they call you stupid enough it somehow makes them right. It took me almost 6 months of schooling a dozen or so posters on here about the true definition of a Medical Redshirt, which by definition is actually a Medical Hardship Waiver.....there is no telling how long you'll bang your head trying to teach them about greyshirts.....Not worth the effort IMO.

Are you saying that he's right? ;)

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

Save yourself the aggravation, Bama/Gator.....Some posters on this board think that if they call you stupid enough it somehow makes them right. It took me almost 6 months of schooling a dozen or so posters on here about the true definition of a Medical Redshirt, which by definition is actually a Medical Hardship Waiver.....there is no telling how long you'll bang your head trying to teach them about greyshirts.....Not worth the effort IMO.

I do find it interesting that few fans seem to have a problem with the redshirt process, which makes the player sit out a YEAR, but they choke and criticize about the grayshirt process which causes them to wait 6 months.

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

Are you saying that he's right? ;)

I think he is saying that some people are capable of rational thought and discussion, and others are not, so the second group resorts to name calling since they cannot make a logical argument.

 

[rogdochar]

That's it BamGaff, I'm greyshirting you. Get your $thousands in within 2 weeks so you can
rightfully be on this GC-campus. P.S. > too bad those other schools have already given
all their "full-ride" schollies to other guys whose recruitment was not misleading.

 

[WobbleGator]

There is nothing logical about being a Gator and also a bama fan.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

We are now to believe that summarizing your positions is the same as calling you names? Lol

And what a shock, Crete weighing in on grey/redshirt discussions,still thinking he knows what the heck he's talking about, and siding with Saban on the issue. lol2:

This thread is approaching hall of fame status!


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[Bama&GatorFan]

That's it BamGaff, I'm greyshirting you. Get your $thousands in within 2 weeks so you can
rightfully be on this GC-campus. P.S. > too bad those other schools have already given
all their "full-ride" schollies to other guys whose recruitment was not misleading.

Are you saying I am only a 3-star poster?

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

We are now to believe that summarizing your positions is the same as calling you names? Lol

And what a shock, Crete weighing in on grey/redshirt discussions,still thinking he knows what the heck he's talking about, and siding with Saban on the issue. lol2:

This thread is approaching hall of fame status!


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Go ahead and respond to my request and show where the kid's scholarship was cancelled. Why are you ignoring me?

 

[NavetG8r]

I do find it interesting that few fans seem to have a problem with the redshirt process, which makes the player sit out a YEAR, but they choke and criticize about the grayshirt process which causes them to wait 6 months.

The difference you seem to be missing is this: During the YEAR a player is a red shirt, his classes, room and board, are paid for by a full athletic scholarship. The 6 months the gray shirt player cannot play, he's having to pay his own way. Get it now?

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

The difference you seem to be missing is this: During the YEAR a player is a red shirt, his classes, room and board, are paid for by a full athletic scholarship. The 6 months the gray shirt player cannot play, he's having to pay his own way. Get it now?

Sure, but do they force them to enroll in the fall and pay their own way? I don't think so. They are only asking them to wait.

 

[TLB]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...hirt-greenshirt-grayshirt-blueshirt/79603750/

From that article:

Grayshirts are recruits who are offered a delayed scholarship. Essentially, grayshirts will postpone their enrollment until after the conclusion of the upcoming season; they will take classes, often as part-time students, but not officially join the program until the ensuing spring semester.

Schools use the grayshirt to add recruits without sacrificing scholarship numbers. Though a grayshirt graduates at the same time as other prospects, delaying the player’s enrollment allows a program to count that scholarship offer toward the following season’s total — making the grayshirt a helpful tool for those programs who tend to over-sign recruits.

It speaks to counting the scholarship towards the next year (EE in the spring), that's when the scholarship is awarded and counted, in January. This article doesn't say it explicitly, but that first fall semester the kid can either sit at home or pay his own way at the University.

More on the topic:

Per BleacherReport

Grey-shirting: A player that commits to a team and then pays his own way through school for a semester to preserve his eligibility.

ESPN - A Grey Area

When a recruit grayshirts, he signs a letter of intent in February but doesn't report for fall practices with his teammates. He delays entry to the school until the spring semester of his freshman year, keeping the NCAA five-year eligibility clock from starting. During that first semester, he can't enroll in college as a full-time student, can't receive his scholarship, can't practice and can't be around the program in any official capacity.

It's that oral agreement to not go on scholarship until after what would have been a prospect's first season that allows schools to skirt NCAA rules limiting Division I-A football programs to 25 new scholarship players per academic year and 28 signees in each year's signing period.

Net effect is the kid has no scholarship that first semester. YES, it is supposed to be available in January (delayed from the Fall term) but there is no guarantee. A kid will greyshirt if they are trying to delay their eligibility clock, to gain a year of eligibility on the backside since they wouldn't be eligible that first fall term after high school. But they are paying their own way that fall term.

Bama&GatorFan is right in that the scholarship is still 'promised' (it could still be pulled, but technically is the same as it was prior to fall term = held for the kid, just delayed), but the rest of us are taking it as the scholarship is not available for the fall term and that first year of playing time is pulled out from under them. The expectation was to play that fall on the school's money, and that's no longer offered - it's delayed until the next term.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Sure, but do they force then to enroll in the fall and pay their own way? I don't think so. They are only asking them to wait.

Is the original committable scholarship offer that was given for the upcoming year or the year after that? Answer that question and you'll understand why I'm not bothering to answer yours.

Is it that hard to understand that by offering a scholarship for the 2016 season, then saying that no longer is there a scholarship available during the 2016 season, that the scholarship offer has been revoked? You can spin this by saying that bama instead moves the scholarship back a year or whatever you want to say, but it doesn't change the fact that a 2016 scholarship was offered, and then taken away.

 

[NavetG8r]

Sure, but do they force then to enroll in the fall and pay their own way? I don't think so. They are only asking them to wait.

And now "maybe" you are finally understanding. He wasn't "forced" to go elsewhere. But we all know he was "encouraged" to look elsewhere because most student athletes can't afford to pay their own tuition. So you're talking semantics out the side of your mouth, while we're all just telling it like it really is. His scholarship may not have been officially "pulled", but we all know he was told if he wanted to play at bama, he wasn't going to have a scholarship until 2017 so he was going to have to pay his own way until then. Isn't that pretty much the same as saying, you probably should look elsewhere where you can get a scholarship for THIS year since we all know you can't afford to pay your own way here until then? If you can't see that, I suggest you take a break, because your bama bias is showing through very clear here.

 

[grengadgy]

Go ahead and respond to my request and show where the kid's scholarship was cancelled. Why are you ignoring me?

Before Riley decommitted.
Question: If Riley faxed in his LOI early Wednesday morning, would Bama signed this legal contract?

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Nav, not to mention the fact that just like the original committable offer that is now no longer available, that greyshirt offer might not be there a year from now either. But yea, lets just continue to pretend nothings changed

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Before Riley decommitted.
Question: If Riley faxed in his LOI early Wednesday morning, would Bama signed this legal contract?

I already asked this question gren, he refused to even acknowledge the post...

 

[grengadgy]

Are you saying I am only a 3-star poster?

No, that you are a walkon.

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

Bama&GatorFan is right in that the scholarship is still 'promised' (it could still be pulled, but technically is the same as it was prior to fall term = held for the kid, just delayed), but the rest of us are taking it as the scholarship is not available for the fall term and that first year of playing time is pulled out from under them. The expectation was to play that fall on the school's money, and that's no longer offered - it's delayed until the next term.

And their eligibility is preserved so they can play another season at the end, when they are older and presumably better.

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

Before Riley decommitted.
Question: If Riley faxed in his LOI early Wednesday morning, would Bama signed this legal contract?

I don't believe I have enough information to answer that. Sounds to me like nothing had changed yet, and they were only discussing the possibility of grayshirt.