Gator Basketball Gators lose at home to bad South Carolina team to start SEC play

[GatorBart]

Not surprised. Classic Gator BB.
I gave up on the FB team after the Missouri game as did many, and we all saw what happened down the the stretch. Can’t give up on the BB team just yet. But Coach White and the team had better get it together soon as it’s only going to get tougher.

 

[diehardg8r]

Not surprised. Classic Gator BB.
I gave up on the FB team after the Missouri game as did many, and we all saw what happened down the the stretch. Can’t give up on the BB team just yet. But Coach White and the team had better get it together soon as it’s only going to get tougher.

Wait till Tennessee gets finished with us.

 

[ufdano]

They are just not a good team overall, defense is usually very solid but they will be lucky to finish the season 500, no leadership, they make bonehead plays always at the worse time, and the most inconsistent offense of all times. I hope CMW learned a valuable lesson that he should have known from UK Duke years ago, if you give the inbounds passer a clear passing lane the Hail Mary is way easier, i Bet Christian Laettner laughs when he sees that highlight.

I also agree with the comment about South Carolina fouls so much they don't call them, its like the old UK days with pitino, if the game is on tv they can't call every foul as the game will take to long.

 

[Marine1]

The senior class has largely been a disappointment. Lack of scoring and no consistency.

But my point is simply he is not going to be fired any time soon. And when you combine our freshmen with nexts years class we will do well enough that he won’t be fired after next year either. Not saying we will win a championship but as someone else stated it will be enough they’ll keep him around.

 

[FireFoley]

They are just not a good team overall, defense is usually very solid but they will be lucky to finish the season 500, no leadership, they make bonehead plays always at the worse time, and the most inconsistent offense of all times. I hope CMW learned a valuable lesson that he should have known from UK Duke years ago, if you give the inbounds passer a clear passing lane the Hail Mary is way easier, i Bet Christian Laettner laughs when he sees that highlight.

I also agree with the comment about South Carolina fouls so much they don't call them, its like the old UK days with pitino, if the game is on tv they can't call every foul as the game will take to long.

I see both sides of this discussion and in all honesty when I coached or was an assistant, I never put a defender on the ball in a full court situation with few seconds remaining, simply b/c I would rather defend 4 guys with 5 defenders. also in a long pass situation, the inbounds passer, after a made shot, can run the baseline, thus helping his vision. Plus when you throw anything of that length, you are just throwing it to a spot, so a defender is not that big a deal IMO. However, it is how you play the pass that was laughable. You know Silva is that kind of guy so you attach (physically) 2 guys to him, one in front, one behind (which we did not do). Also you must push (not physically). the other guys towards the ball and away from the basket. Lastly, I always had a rule: No pass greater than 25 feet goes untouched. Defensively in a dead ball situation. a pass greater than 25 feet should never not be touched by at least one defender.

 

[Ocalaman]

The lack of player development is the most amazing thing to me. Allen was great his freshman year and has devolved. Hudson was NBA-quality and can't even get on the floor now. Stone has a lot of ability, but is not showing improvement. Hayes has been Hayes since his freshman year. It's one thing to recruit players - it's another to get them better and get them gelling as a team. White's recruiting classes for this year and next will buy him some time, but if we aren't competing for an SEC title within 2 years the time to look for a better coach will have arrived.

 

[78]

Watched the first half and then flipped to Seattle-Dallas. Lots of careless passing. You never get the feeling watching a White team that it has an identity.

 

[ufdano]

I see both sides of this discussion and in all honesty when I coached or was an assistant, I never put a defender on the ball in a full court situation with few seconds remaining, simply b/c I would rather defend 4 guys with 5 defenders. also in a long pass situation, the inbounds passer, after a made shot, can run the baseline, thus helping his vision. Plus when you throw anything of that length, you are just throwing it to a spot, so a defender is not that big a deal IMO. However, it is how you play the pass that was laughable. You know Silva is that kind of guy so you attach (physically) 2 guys to him, one in front, one behind (which we did not do). Also you must push (not physically). the other guys towards the ball and away from the basket. Lastly, I always had a rule: No pass greater than 25 feet goes untouched. Defensively in a dead ball situation. a pass greater than 25 feet should never not be touched by at least one defender.

I can see that, you front and back the guy most likely to make the catch and shoot, and push every one else back towards the ball, that would have been a sound way to play that also. If you a call time out in that situation can they still run the baseline for the inbounds?

 

[FireFoley]

I can see that, you front and back the guy most likely to make the catch and shoot, and push every one else back towards the ball, that would have been a sound way to play that also. If you a call time out in that situation can they still run the baseline for the inbounds?

An inbounds passer can run the baseline only after a made basket (field goal or free throw). Calling a timeout has no affect on that rule. It is what last happened before any timeout is taken that dictates the rule. However I think they now have a rule in college (I know they have it in NBA), where you can advance the ball to midcourt to inbounds it after taking a timeout. At no time can you run the sideline to inbounds a pass, ever! Only baseline and only after a scoring play!

 

[rogdochar]

How about UF deserving a 4th-year HC that did not lead us into needing a turnaround. Right now, there are 10 SEC coaches performing too good to need a turnaround. Our players look like they cannot relate to coach White's ways; are they thinking he's fake? too short? What is the thought process that White is teaching? From what I've seen, it's all bad display that just should not be.

So, next year's incoming freshmen plus sophomores might save White's job, but will he be getting the most out of them? Will he craft a Gator team capable of competing with what 8-10 other SEC coaches put together? Shouldn't UF have a basketball HC that's near the top 3 in the SEC, not #11?

 

[LagoonGator68]

The Head Coach matters.....see Dan Mullen.

Time for McElwhite to go....

 

[deuce]

The Head Coach matters.....see Dan Mullen.

Time for McElwhite to go....

That's cute....

 

[Double Gator Dad]

I see both sides of this discussion and in all honesty when I coached or was an assistant, I never put a defender on the ball in a full court situation with few seconds remaining, simply b/c I would rather defend 4 guys with 5 defenders. also in a long pass situation, the inbounds passer, after a made shot, can run the baseline, thus helping his vision. Plus when you throw anything of that length, you are just throwing it to a spot, so a defender is not that big a deal IMO. However, it is how you play the pass that was laughable. You know Silva is that kind of guy so you attach (physically) 2 guys to him, one in front, one behind (which we did not do). Also you must push (not physically). the other guys towards the ball and away from the basket. Lastly, I always had a rule: No pass greater than 25 feet goes untouched. Defensively in a dead ball situation. a pass greater than 25 feet should never not be touched by at least one defender.

We were taught in high school basketball how to defend a long inbounds pass.

You must double team the best inside or post player with one defender in front and the second defender behind the offensive player. I was screaming this as I watched the play unfold.

Apparently in the White basketball dynasty this concept has been abandoned for the more effective approach of putting 2-3 defenders in front of the post player so that they can flail away at the ball as it passes over their heads.

High school basketball people.........

 

[GatorBart]

Wait till Tennessee gets finished with us.

Who knows?
We’ve only been blown out once this year and we’ll be at home vs UT. Let’s see if we can weather @Arkansas first though.

 

[rogdochar]

Wait till Tennessee gets finished with us.

... and Auburn, and Bama, and Miss State, and Ole Miss, etc. There could be 10 SEC teams that expose us.
Just a few more games and our season will be over. Poor disappointing disappointed seniors.

 

[gardnerwebbgator]

White is gutless. Silva commits two blatant fouls in the last three seconds, but not called, and pussy boy didn't speak a word to the officials. How many competent coaches pull out a note sheet in the huddle with the game on the line? Our useless dork does.

 

[ChiefGator]

The lack of player development is the most amazing thing to me. Allen was great his freshman year and has devolved. Hudson was NBA-quality and can't even get on the floor now. Stone has a lot of ability, but is not showing improvement. Hayes has been Hayes since his freshman year. It's one thing to recruit players - it's another to get them better and get them gelling as a team. White's recruiting classes for this year and next will buy him some time, but if we aren't competing for an SEC title within 2 years the time to look for a better coach will have arrived.

So lack of development especially in say shooting is all on the coach and not on the players? Coach told them what he wanted last night and somehow they did not deliver.

I do blame him from keeping the same team on the court when the press was so effective and nobody seemed capable of taking over the game. In the past a guard would have found a way to make some points and win that game. Perhaps the freshmen lack that ability, but one of the seniors should have taken the team on their back.

 

[Tay Bang]

I’m just not seeing much God-given talent on this team. Outside of the Freshmen, what players would any top 25 team want off of our roster? We got some gawky big men inside and some smurf forwards. Not exactly something Roy Williams could work with. One needs athletic length to go inside. We got nobody with both.

 

[MertzJay26]

I’m just not seeing much God-given talent on this team. Outside of the Freshmen, what players would any top 25 team want off of our roster? We got some gawky big men inside and some smurf forwards. Not exactly something Roy Williams could work with. One needs athletic length to go inside. We got nobody with both.

So White failed in recruiting too?

 

[Tay Bang]

So White failed in recruiting too?

I knew that would be the only response. You are correct but he’s working on it. Would you care to address the actual issue I noted?