Gator Basketball Gators lose at home to bad South Carolina team to start SEC play

[Marine1]

And after all the work Billy D did, you’re fine with an OJT Head Coach? Fvwk that and this conversation. We deserve better. There’s nothing left to discuss if that’s your position.

There’s not much to discuss for an entirely different reason....he’s not getting fired imo.

Or do you think it is likely that he’s gone as soon as the season ends?

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I don’t think he is elite. But I think he is growing. Look at his improvement on the trail for example and I think he is young enough to improve.

But none of that is my point. Mine is he is not going to be fired without 2 more seasons and with real elite talent we may well perform well enough that he extends his tenure even longer.

So during that time I prefer to pump rather than dump. Get to as many games as I can....and watch the rest on TV ...cheer as always....and enjoy the experience. If we don’t improve at all he will likely be gone by year 3. Then I get behind the new guy and root for his success.

by year 3? He was hired in May of 2015. He's in his 4th season now.

 

[MidwestChomp]

Ok. Fair enough. As my old boss used to say, “Bring me solutions, not problems”. What’s your plan? Hire another young promising coach like White? Lure away a great coach from a blue blood? Other options?

No way we get a coach from a blue blood. We could maybe lure Smart, but Texas has major bucks. I hinted at Beard, he'd be good, but getting any coach from a major university wouldn't be easy.

So you'd look at smaller schools like White came from, but look at a coach who has consistently won conference AND gotten to the NCAA tournament.

Likely Stricklin would end up bringing in his guy Howland from cowbell which would drive people nuts here.

 

[Marine1]

by year 3? He was hired in May of 2015. He's in his 4th season now.

You’re not following the discussion maybe. I had said he’s here for the next 2 years imo. If we are not winning at an acceptable level he will be gone by year 3.

 

[MidwestChomp]

I just like that people are getting worked up about Gator basketball, which I love.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

You’re not following the discussion maybe. I had said he’s here for the next 2 years imo. If we are not winning at an acceptable level he will be gone by year 3.

ok I'm following you now, disagree but following you.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I just like that people are getting worked up about Gator basketball, which I love.

unfortunately they are worked up for the wrong reasons.

 

[Marine1]

ok I'm following you now, disagree but following you.

So you think he gets fired at the end of this year? I think his recruiting class bought him next year and the following year. I wouldn’t be surprised if I am right. I think the wheels would have to fall off completely for him to be fired after next season. I see zero pct chance he’s fired after this year.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

So you think he gets fired at the end of this year? I think his recruiting class bought him next year and the following year. I wouldn’t be surprised if I am right. I think the wheels would have to fall off completely for him to be fired after next season. I see zero pct chance he’s fired after this year.

significant improvement next year or he's gone at seasons end. And he'll be gone, bc their won't be any improvement. He doesn't have it.

 

[MidwestChomp]

We'll be starting all sophomores and frosh next year, so it'll be interesting.

 

[NVGator]

There’s not much to discuss for an entirely different reason....he’s not getting fired imo.

Or do you think it is likely that he’s gone as soon as the season ends?

He’s not gone because our AD doesn’t give a schit about Basketball records but certainly loves to take funds away from football to support them and women’s sports.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

We'll be starting all sophomores and frosh next year, so it'll be interesting.

by interesting you mean infuriating.

 

[Marine1]

I can agree if the wheels fall off completely next season he will be gone. In fact, I stated as much.

I just think our talent level next year will prevent that from happening. It would be after the next year that a move would likely be made if things have not improved.

But only time will tell.

 

[t-gator]

White wasn’t a promising coach. He was a bargain bin coach that didn’t pan out. Time to cut the loss and find an actual proven coach.

There is no hiring a proven coach. There's either hiring a up and come or a guy who's been canned already. Name me one program that poached a good coach away from a p5 program? I'd easily take white next year with two 5*s and a top 40 player coming than starting over with a washed up guy that's been fired already.

 

[t-gator]

I want to see some names. NV has mentioned musslmen before and he's a good coach but he's about the only one out there. If recruiting was down and the pool was deeper to choose from ,my attitude would be different.

 

[MidwestChomp]

There is no hiring a proven coach. There's either hiring a up and come or a guy who's been canned already. Name me one program that poached a good coach away from a p5 program? I'd easily take white next year with two 5*s and a top 40 player coming than starting over with a washed up guy that's been fired already.

although not power 5, these guys were proven:

Chris Mack to Louisville. Matta and Holtmann to Ohio State. And Beilein was proven when Meat Chicken hired him. Martin to the cocks. So that's a robust 5 i can think of.

But you are right. Hiring a proven coach at a big time university ain't easy.

 

[NVGator]

There is no hiring a proven coach. There's either hiring a up and come or a guy who's been canned already. Name me one program that poached a good coach away from a p5 program? I'd easily take white next year with two 5*s and a top 40 player coming than starting over with a washed up guy that's been fired already.

You are delusional T. First of all, you don't discuss P5 with Basketball like you do with football. Is there such a thing as P5 in basketball? The field isn't even the same with teams and their contributions.

Here's a name we should have gone after Archie Miller. His track record at Dayton certainly was far superior of a proven coach and his NCAA bids vs. Mike White. I mean at least Miller had an Elite 8 on his resume as well as another NCAA Tourney compared to White's NIT scrum.

In your next post you mentioned Musselman. No way anyone back east would have given him the time or day but this guy is for real. He's an amazing coach with amazing leadership, motivation and development. He's just not for the east.

 

[NVGator]

although not power 5, these guys were proven:

Chris Mack to Louisville. Matta and Holtmann to Ohio State. And Beilein was proven when Meat Chicken hired him. Martin to the cocks. So that's a robust 5 i can think of.

But you are right. Hiring a proven coach at a big time university ain't easy.

It's not the same and doesn't translate with "P5" Proven, yes. White wasn't proven.

Let's use Chris Mack as an example...

09-10: Sweet 16
10-11: Round of 64
11-12: Sweet 16
12-13: -
13-14: Final 4
14-15 Sweet 16

Hell of a better record than White's 3 NITs before his OJT at Florida.

 

[NVGator]

I want to see some names. NV has mentioned musslmen before and he's a good coach but he's about the only one out there. If recruiting was down and the pool was deeper to choose from ,my attitude would be different.

You're a pumper of White, and that's alright, but it's blinded.

 

[t-gator]

although not power 5, these guys were proven:

Chris Mack to Louisville. Matta and Holtmann to Ohio State. And Beilein was proven when Meat Chicken hired him. Martin to the cocks. So that's a robust 5 i can think of.

But you are right. Hiring a proven coach at a big time university ain't easy.

How many chris Mack's and Thad maddas are out there right now? Chris mack turned us down when we hired FWIW. Belien hadn't done shcit before he went to Michigan. I have no idea who holtman is.
Finding a basketball coach that can have you top 10 every year is unrealistic unless you're Duke or UNC. Hell, even Calipari can't do it.