Can Franks hold on to the Number 1 QB spot?

[Swamp Queen]

Answer me this, PE: Why didn't Gator fans bash Tebow?

Because Jesus

 

[oxrageous]

Because Jesus

No, even atheist Gator fans didn't bash Tebow.

 

[Swamp Queen]

No, even atheist Gator fans didn't bash Tebow.

What atheist club are you part of???

 

[78]

Because Jesus

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

Answer me this, PE: Why didn't Gator fans bash Tebow?

There were fans calling for Brantley to start when the offense wasn't performing that well in '09 (at least up to the standards from the previous two seasons).

 

[oxrageous]

There were fans calling for Brantley to start when the offense wasn't performing that well in '09 (at least up to the standards from the previous two seasons).

The % of Gator fans doing that was so small you'd need a microscope to see it.

My point is that he backed up whatever he did on the field. If Franks wants everyone to STFU, then he needs to PLAY better. Unfortunately, he's a terrible fit for the offense and I can't see that changing.

 

[lizardbreath]

Answer me this, PE: Why didn't Gator fans bash Tebow?

I'm not PE (whom I respect greatly and almost always agree with), but I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that not only was Tim worlds better than FF on the field, he was just as superior as a representative of the University of Florida. Comparing Tim's occasional minor foibles with the series of catastrophic and near-catastrophic blunders committed by FF is simply unfair to Tim. And if you are looking for a telling example of the difference in attitude and demeanor, check out the "kiss my ass" attitude on display for all the world during FF's response to a question about his foolish and embarrassing conduct last Saturday. I don't "hate" FF as a person or even as a seriously flawed player, but I knew Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow was a friend to all who love Florida football - and FF is no Tim Tebow.

 

[stephenPE]

Answer me this, PE: Why didn't Gator fans bash Tebow?

Low hanging fruit there. Many of the morons could not stand Chris Leak. He was a pussy for sliding before the first down line.
He threw the ball away too often. He blah blah blah. Timmy was a mans man. He ran over people. He got the tough yardage.
He was the 2nd string QB, most popular player on many teams. Chris was VERY laid back. Timmy was John Wayne at the
Alamo. Booing either one, to me,would show your ignorance and class.......

 

[soflagator]

Low hanging fruit there. Many of the morons could not stand Chris Leak. He was a pussy for sliding before the first down line.
He threw the ball away too often. He blah blah blah. Timmy was a mans man. He ran over people. He got the tough yardage.
He was the 2nd string QB, most popular player on many teams. Chris was VERY laid back. Timmy was John Wayne at the
Alamo. Booing either one, to me,would show your ignorance and class.......

I'm not even sure how Leak is relevant in this discussion. Is it really your contention that fans loved Tebow, largely because they hated Leak? That's complete nonsense. Did fans adore Wuerffel because of some deep rooted issue with Dean? One literally has nothing to do with the other.

And I'm not sure the circle you run in, but I sit in the old alum section full of grumpy old men who love to do things--complain and kill the wave. And I can honestly say none of them ever had a bad word to say about Leak. They were super excited when we landed him, wanted him in much earlier against um and ut in 2003, and still think of him highly. Were they frustrated at times when he slid or showed a lack of toughness, yeah. But they also recognized he wasn't brought in to run that offense.

And to the last part about booing, I agree. And no one did. It has been debunked a million times here and elsewhere. It's a tired narrative that paints UF fans as not liking the one player--who happens to be black--as much as the kid behind him who fit the scheme much better and happened to be white. If that were the case, I'm sure they would've preferred Midgett over Leak, considering they came in at the same time and were heralded QB's.

To Ox's point, Tebow backed it up with his play and was much more about team and rah-rah UF than posing and talking trash. To be clear, I'm ol with FF doing it, even though I'd prefer he didn't. But as he said, just back it up with consistent play and all is well.

 

[Marine1]

That note from mama was tame compared to some mama bears I know.

Absolutely love Grimes statement. The locker room is behind their QB and that is good to see.

Why didn’t they boo Tebow? Seriously? He was possibly the best college football in history. We vilified Franks well before he ever acted out. He didn’t perform well and many immediately began attacking his performance, his intelligence and his personal character.

 

[MJMGator]

That note from mama was tame compared to some mama bears I know.

Absolutely love Grimes statement. The locker room is behind their QB and that is good to see.

Why didn’t they boo Tebow? Seriously? He was possibly the best college football in history. We vilified Franks well before he ever acted out. He didn’t perform well and many immediately began attacking his performance, his intelligence and his personal character.

Yeah, the fans got on him pretty hard. That’s when the infamous “shush” came out a few weeks later. Ox has never recovered.

 

[lizardbreath]

I'm no longer up to the rigors of attending many games these days. Age, limited budget and increasing laziness have combined to pretty much take me out of the game, so to speak. But I have attended quite a few Gator games over the years and I don't recall ever booing an individual Gator player after a mistake. However, being both a fan and a human being, I have been known to cuss a blue streak at the TV on occasions too numerous to mention - last Saturday being a notable example. I have also, along with many others, expressed my concerns and less than glowing opinions of a player's performance and conduct in forums such as this one.

I do agree that "character" issues can be a very delicate issue, and that booing a Gator player at BHG is not constructive, nor is it "the class thing to do." But calling out poor play, or overtly obnoxious conduct during a game, is not "character assassination" - especially in light of the growing series of incidents of both types on the part of our current QB. In my personal experience, anyone who enters any public arena is going to have to deal with criticism, some of it pretty pointed at times. And I sincerely hope that FF can grow into the best player and the best person that he can possibly be. I would respectfully suggest that a greater willingness to learn from his mistakes, and to take responsibility for them, would be a good start. Go gators.

 

[Marine1]

I'm no longer up to the rigors of attending many games these days. Age, limited budget and increasing laziness have combined to pretty much take me out of the game, so to speak. But I have attended quite a few Gator games over the years and I don't recall ever booing an individual Gator player after a mistake. However, being both a fan and a human being, I have been known to cuss a blue streak at the TV on occasions too numerous to mention - last Saturday being a notable example. I have also, along with many others, expressed my concerns and less than glowing opinions of a player's performance and conduct in forums such as this one.

I do agree that "character" issues can be a very delicate issue, and that booing a Gator player at BHG is not constructive, nor is it "the class thing to do." But calling out poor play, or overtly obnoxious conduct during a game, is not "character assassination" - especially in light of the growing series of incidents of both types on he part of our current QB. In my personal experience, anyone who enters any public arena is going to have to deal with criticism, some of it pretty pointed at times. And I sincerely hope that FF can grow into the best player and the best person that he can possibly be. I would respectfully suggest that a greater willingness to learn from his mistakes, and to take responsibility for them, would be a good start. Go gators.

Well stated. Performance is on the table. Personal insults “should” be off the table. But that ship has sailed. It’s a different society now. The keyboard has made a big difference.

Franks is 6’6 240. I doubt too many of our warriors here would personally insult him to his face. They know he is immature enough to go upside their head. Many though would be willing to discuss his performance but doubtful “mental midget” would come up. Performance comes with the job. If you don’t want criticism then do a better job.

 

[oxrageous]

We vilified Franks well before he ever acted out. He didn’t perform well and many immediately began attacking his performance, his intelligence and his personal character.

This is a massive overstatement and exaggeration. His intelligence ON THE FIELD, sure. I still question that. His personal character? Who was doing that?

Marine and PE, you guys would absolutely rip Franks up and down every which way if he acted (and played) the same way for one of our rivals. You leap to his defense because he wears the orange and blue, and we all get that. Just be honest about it. Our defenders would be licking their chops to take the block off a QB that acted like Franks.

 

[neteng]

"Can Franks hold on to the number 1 QB slot?"

My opinion, unless he is injured I don't see him losing it. I thought he had a bad game against scUM but I dont think it was horrible. He definitely could do better, especially with protecting the ball. That last interception was pretty bad ... really bad ... but Coach defended him in the press conference. 3 Turnovers are on Franks in that game and coach made a lot of good points in his defense ... but still, 3 turnovers are on Franks in his first game.

Who is going to replace him? EJ? KT? I don't think either of them have really shown anything at all to warrant saying they are better. EJ isn't the future ... if he was, he would be playing already and would have played more last season.

Hopefully AR shows up and shows out. Franks is immature ... but I think that is being confused with him not really having any poise. There is a difference. Manziel is/was immature. Newton was immature. There are plenty of immature human beings out there playing QB that do just fine. They all have poise though ... and I just dont know if Franks does.

 

[rogdochar]

Answer me this, PE: Why didn't Gator fans bash Tebow?

Fear of being struck by lightning.

 

[rogdochar]

Fans everywhere go the way the QB's heroics or failures go. Sure, it grooms more bad-mouthing where the QB seems overlooking his "not good enough" performance. Seems like his head isn't in his game ... and that inflames us fans. Fans believe in magic i.e. if we point out, complain then the "mojo" forces of it will move performances towards better execution??

All said and done, the solution is "just do your job well" and then "life is good" comes forth for all. We await him Frankly doing his QB job well. It be best he routes Kentucky.

 

[GatormanTX]

I try hard to like Franks but he's hard for me to like with his immaturity and showboating. Sometimes you wonder how the guy ever found his way out of Crawfordville. But there is one thing about him, and that's he never seems to lose his confidence. He's never gun shy. He can make the stupidest mistake, but he always bounces back. He's erratic; no question about that. But he's talented; no question about that either. He's confident. He plays with passion. He's his own guy. He is what he is. You can take him or leave him. He doesn't care. I like him and I don't like him at the same time.

This is the best post in the entire thread. Love him or hate him he is not going anywhere. He may be somewhat improved year over year but nothing substantial. I can’t stand him, but I am glad he shaved his scrotum. That’s an improvement.

 

[Marine1]

This is a massive overstatement and exaggeration. His intelligence ON THE FIELD, sure. I still question that. His personal character? Who was doing that?

Marine and PE, you guys would absolutely rip Franks up and down every which way if he acted (and played) the same way for one of our rivals. You leap to his defense because he wears the orange and blue, and we all get that. Just be honest about it. Our defenders would be licking their chops to take the block off a QB that acted like Franks.

True and accurate. If Franks played for a rival I would dislike the guy. He wouldn’t have to be immature or act out to get that. Just being on a rival team is enough to get me going. I do leap to the defense of Gators. Just the way it is. I have no problem with the criticism of his performance. It’s just the over the top personal stuff that’s indefensible in my opinion.

 

[Gator By Marriage]

I'm no longer up to the rigors of attending many games these days. Age, limited budget and increasing laziness have combined to pretty much take me out of the game, so to speak. But I have attended quite a few Gator games over the years and I don't recall ever booing an individual Gator player after a mistake. However, being both a fan and a human being, I have been known to cuss a blue streak at the TV on occasions too numerous to mention - last Saturday being a notable example. I have also, along with many others, expressed my concerns and less than glowing opinions of a player's performance and conduct in forums such as this one.

I do agree that "character" issues can be a very delicate issue, and that booing a Gator player at BHG is not constructive, nor is it "the class thing to do." But calling out poor play, or overtly obnoxious conduct during a game, is not "character assassination" - especially in light of the growing series of incidents of both types on the part of our current QB. In my personal experience, anyone who enters any public arena is going to have to deal with criticism, some of it pretty pointed at times. And I sincerely hope that FF can grow into the best player and the best person that he can possibly be. I would respectfully suggest that a greater willingness to learn from his mistakes, and to take responsibility for them, would be a good start. Go gators.

Agree with you 100% on booing Gators. Due to a bunch of circumstances I haven’t been to a game at BHG in a while, but now with a son at UF we will make two games this year. (We also made the Peach Bowl last year.) At home I’ll yell at the TV, but in person I can’t boo a college player unless it’s an opponent who makes a dirty play. To me, they’re just kids.