It's time to officially fire up the head coaching search. Who you got?

[ThreatMatrix]

You're right. Senility must be setting in. I was at both of those games. I remember being at the 1991 Sugar Bowl and feeling that we were moving the ball well on them all night, and should have won the game. I spent the night on Bourbon Street after the game, drinking hurricanes and doing whippits (which were legal and available all over the place), so I'm not surprised my recollection is fuzzy and that I merged it with the devastating tie with FSU after giving up a 28-point lead in the 4th quarter.

Point remains that Spurrier had a lot of missteps his first few years, and things turned out really well. So I'm willing to see what happens with Mullen as well, especially given that the league is MUCH more difficult now than it was then.

LOL, Me too on Bourbon Street that night. One thing about those whippits though, after 9 or 10 you get one helluva headache.

 

[itsgr82bag8r]

This is the stupidest thread in the history of message boards.

You obviously haven't been in one of Gatoravatara's political forum threads.

 

[soflagator]

Lol.... go look at the out of conference records and especially the bowl records during that period and get back to me.

The big 10 and big 12 may never overcome the bcs. previously they were allowed to claim national championships after beating a 3 loss team in the Rose bowl or the Orange Bowl.

I don’t disagree on the absurdity of the bowl alliance. It also burned them a few times as well. And I don’t care a bit about non-championship bowl games. They bring nothing to the table in determining matters.

But to be clear, the SEC Champ was in fact not the best team in the country ‘90, ‘91, ‘93, 94, ‘95, ‘97, ‘99, ‘00 or ‘01. All the other years are certainly up for debate though. Tough to argue that the SEC is superior when the team that ran roughshod through it annually got punched in the face by the ACC’s best squad in a meaningful rivalry game, including some real beatings like 2000. And considering we weren’t truly challenged in 1995(think Vandy played us tough, as usual) but got throttled by the B12, who also won it all or a piece in ‘94 and ‘97, I’m not discrediting the idea that they were better. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try, though. I, for one, just enjoy being on the victorious side of debates.

There’s a reason an undefeated ‘04 Aub team was left out. As much as I love the idea that we ruined their ‘02 season there’s also a valid argument that uga was getting left out that year regardless of our upset. And there’s also a reason why UCLA’s upset was so huge in 2006. Despite each having one loss, we were in the outside looking in because USC was just considered better. Not to mention the whole OHst/Mich rematch discussion.

The reality is the perception of the Sec changed in 2006. We started this idea that the conference is just hands down better than anyone else. It wasn’t before, and again that’s just factual data.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

The reality is the perception of the Sec changed in 2006. We started this idea that the conference is just hands down better than anyone else. It wasn’t before, and again that’s just factual data.

So what is the data regarding bowl records? And other factual data? Pretty sure I remember the SEC going 6-0 or 5-1 often on New Years Day often in the 90s, particularly 95, 96 and 97.

It was spectacular and the Big 10 in particularly felt the need to make weather excuses.

You may be too young to remember but most of the SEC teams had functioning offense back then too. Weird stuff, huh?

 

[soflagator]

So what is the data regarding bowl records? And other factual data?

It’s pretty scientific, but basically it says that 2008 Utah was the national champion that year and no one was beating ‘17 Ucf.

Again, meaningless bowl games have no bearing. When something was in the line, the SEC was crushed, outside of ‘92 and ‘96. Whether or not Mumme’s Uk team or Sherril’s MSU teams beat mid level opponents in the Garbage Bowl couldn’t be more irrelevant.

It’s odd. In one breath, you scoff at the idea of winning nothing this year and going to a NY6 bowl. In the next, you want to compare who won the Liberty, Gator and Citrus bowls from the 90s as if it’s an accurate indicator.

The best SEC team in the 90s was 5-8-1 against the best team from the ACC, 0-1 against the B12 in championship games(1-1 if you count ‘90 OkSt) and got smoked by ND and Syracuse. The SEC winner in 2000 was crushed 30-7 by the team that lost the NC game to the B12 winner.

Data.

 

[Red D]

We've got another hand-wringing hysterical woman on our hands that didn't read any of the thread.

You should check out Swamp Gas. Threads like this are not allowed, so they won't make people like you upset.

No. I read every page, hence my comment. Literally any thread currently on the GSMB is more relevant than this circle-jerk.

 

[oxrageous]

No. I read every page, hence my comment. Literally any thread currently on the GSMB is more relevant than this circle-jerk.

Then why are you here?

 

[SeabeeGator]

It’s pretty scientific, but basically it says that 2008 Utah was the national champion that year and no one was beating ‘17 Ucf.

Again, meaningless bowl games have no bearing. When something was in the line, the SEC was crushed, outside of ‘92 and ‘96. Whether or not Mumme’s Uk team or Sherril’s MSU teams beat mid level opponents in the Garbage Bowl couldn’t be more irrelevant.

It’s odd. In one breath, you scoff at the idea of winning nothing this year and going to a NY6 bowl. In the next, you want to compare who won the Liberty, Gator and Citrus bowls from the 90s as if it’s an accurate indicator.

The best SEC team in the 90s was 5-8-1 against the best team from the ACC, 0-1 against the B12 in championship games(1-1 if you count ‘90 OkSt) and got smoked by ND and Syracuse. The SEC winner in 2000 was crushed 30-7 by the team that lost the NC game to the B12 winner.

Data.

It’s classic Donk. Not sure why you try. Great points though.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

No. I read every page, hence my comment. Literally any thread currently on the GSMB is more relevant than this circle-jerk.

You can read every thread in 20 seconds.

 

[Sec14Gator]

But while I understand your point, you’re in essence making the one I’ve stated over and over. If this is 2011, we’re all fine with that. If we’re honest, we’re not mad at 2018-2019. We’re mad at 2010-2017. That wasn’t going to change under anyone’s watch. No one likes to lose, and I was furious Saturday. But you can’t speed things up. If you want to scrap it with a 17-5 coach and start again, I’m fine with that. But he’s also not going to come in and fix things instantly. It’s not happening. We lost a decade. How many teams just turn on a dime after that and dominate?

If we win out, and lose 3 games next year, Mullen will have the same amount of losses as Spurrier did through his first three seasons. And he’s been on record many times talking about that ‘90 team he inherited and how much it helped. You really think Mullen would say the same about our current squad, or last years? Acting as if what he’s done is nothing is ridiculous.

Again, I get the frustration. But it should be about much of what preceded Mullen more so than what we’ve seen since.

My issues with Mullen is the concern he isn’t the long term fix and I’d rather shot and miss than not bother shooting. So, regardless of the last 10 years, if we are in a game versus a rival and the coach is obviously playing slowdown as though we have the lead that is enraging, Muschamp like behavior. Add to that the B- recruiting, and I have long term concerns, not issues with our win-loss record to date. Yes we lost some we typically don’t, but we also won some prior coaches would lose.

Your problem is that you’ve completely romanticized the ‘90s as if we didn’t win 9-10 games and play a bowl outside of the NC picture in all but 2 of his 12 seasons.

This is soooo true. The romatacism for the guy who led the choke at doke being infallible is downright silly. As much as no one wants to admit it who is a diehard Gator, the best to ever do it on our sidelines was not SOS (even if he is the overall greatest Gator ever). Meyer was far more of the complete package, with his game day management being a couple notches above the HBC. It sucks, but it’s very true. 1 for 12 is not equal to 2 for 6. There are also very few Meyer games where you can so clearly point to and say, his stubbornness was at least 40-70% of the loss. Mullen, though, suggests he has that stubbornness to lose when we shouldn’t, but without the mountaintop potential feel that SOS ALWAYS brought.

Same with this year. Lots of 10-2/9-3 predictions. We’re on track for that but now its unacceptable.

It’s not about this year or the last 9. It’s about visible coaching issues. You can be frustrated with that without being surprised at the W/L total, especially since those predictions take account of the coach to begin with.