Gators bow out in the 2nd round....next year will be a Championship!

NCAAT 2nd Round Result?

  • Win by 1-9

    Votes: 33 60.0%
  • Win by 10+

    Votes: 10 18.2%
  • Lose by 1-9

    Votes: 9 16.4%
  • Lose by 10+

    Votes: 3 5.5%

  • Total voters
    55
  • Poll closed .

diehardg8r

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Remember? Yeah, I was there. It sucked. It smelled. We should have never been in that situation. I still didn’t whine, cry, and ***** about the refs. That’s for losers.
Got it. Forcing turnovers and then getting hosed by crooked ass officiatingis part of the game...quit bitching. I guess SOS was a loser for pointing out that FSU was hitting DW late as fk also? Were you at that game?
 

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I’m over it. Of course I have help. :bandit: And I got really drunk Saturday night - that helped too.
We’ll get em next year!
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Got it. Forcing turnovers and then getting hosed by crooked ass officiatingis part of the game...quit *****ing. I guess SOS was a loser for pointing out that FSU was hitting DW late as fk also? Were you at that game?
I:burn:
m over it. Of course I have help. :bandit: And I got really drunk Saturday night - that helped too.
We’ll get em next year!
Jimmy Beam tried to help me but to no avail...................:swampqueen::pumper:
 

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Proper attitude, Liz. I'm not ready to throw White under the bus, but I believe in threatening to throw him 'neath-bus if he allows (by practice neglects) sub-standard techniques to go on & on. You're right about "he has to grow". But all long season I saw none of that growth and we lost to many less talented teams, in 'same ole' frustrating style.
All we can do is Look forward to next year of White not "same-coaching" like that again. :cool:

I think several people on this thread have it right. It is not time to throw White under the bus, but we need to see things turning up in the very near future. I am guessing that White sees his 2018-19 roster like this today:

PG: Allen, Nembhart
SG: Okauru, Locke
SF: Hudson, Ballard, K. Johnson
PF: Stone, Bassett, C. Johnson
C: Hayes, Gak, Stokes

I would guess that Allen, Numbart and Okauru will be the guard rotation. I would guess that Hudson will leave and Ballard will be the starter at the SF spot. If C. Johnson and Stokes have healed up, then UF will be deep at the front court positions. I would like Stone at the 3, but I am not sure White sees things that way.
 

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I think several people on this thread have it right. It is not time to throw White under the bus, but we need to see things turning up in the very near future. I am guessing that White sees his 2018-19 roster like this today:

PG: Allen, Nembhart
SG: Okauru, Locke
SF: Hudson, Ballard, K. Johnson
PF: Stone, Bassett, C. Johnson
C: Hayes, Gak, Stokes

I would guess that Allen, Numbart and Okauru will be the guard rotation. I would guess that Hudson will leave and Ballard will be the starter at the SF spot. If C. Johnson and Stokes have healed up, then UF will be deep at the front court positions. I would like Stone at the 3, but I am not sure White sees things that way.

You're probably right on the money here.Except I don't see Hudson returning. I love Kevaughn, but he's just not a point guard. Depending on which freshmen is more ready to start I see the lineup going something line this. Okauru- Allen- K Johnson- Stone & Hayes or Nembhart , Allen , Okauru in a 3 guard lineup with Stone & Hayes. With Bassett, Gak, C Johnson and Locke coming of the bench. Ballard needs to grow up in a hurry. Otherwise he won't be getting many minutes. White seems to like big guys that can run the floor, so Stokes will need to get in great shape over the off season to crack the rotation.
 

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I think several people on this thread have it right. It is not time to throw White under the bus, but we need to see things turning up in the very near future. I am guessing that White sees his 2018-19 roster like this today:

PG: Allen, Nembhart
SG: Okauru, Locke
SF: Hudson, Ballard, K. Johnson
PF: Stone, Bassett, C. Johnson
C: Hayes, Gak, Stokes

I would guess that Allen, Numbart and Okauru will be the guard rotation. I would guess that Hudson will leave and Ballard will be the starter at the SF spot. If C. Johnson and Stokes have healed up, then UF will be deep at the front court positions. I would like Stone at the 3, but I am not sure White sees things that way.
I can see Nembhart taking over the PG position immediately with Okuru backing him up. Allen is a shooting guard, but Locke will push him at that position. Hoping Hudson comes back, but Ballard has to improve significantly if he's going to get increased playing time. Talent is there, but he's got to quit fouling, focus on defense and be more of a team player instead of going on-on-one and taking bad shots. Stokes is going to start IMO. If Hudson leaves I think the froncourt starters will be Hayes, Stone & Stokes. Just need to avoid the injury bug and the team will be plenty deep.
 

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Got it. Forcing turnovers and then getting hosed by crooked ass officiatingis part of the game...quit *****ing. I guess SOS was a loser for pointing out that FSU was hitting DW late as fk also? Were you at that game?

You’re comparing yourself to Spurrier? That’s a little more than off. My point is, be a man and move on. The Gators didn’t lose to TT due to the refs...
 

diehardg8r

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You’re comparing yourself to Spurrier? That’s a little more than off. My point is, be a man and move on. The Gators didn’t lose to TT due to the refs...
No, your point was that complaining about officials is for losers and I gave you an example of SOS doing it, I didn't compare myself to SOS and i don't necessarily feel we lost because of the officials. My issue is with your blanket statement. Is SOS a loser? Be a man and answer the question.
 

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No, your point was that complaining about officials is for losers and I gave you an example of SOS doing it, I didn't compare myself to SOS and i don't necessarily feel we lost because of the officials. My issue is with your blanket statement. Is SOS a loser? Be a man and answer the question.

Wow. Again you compare yourself with Spurrier. I think you may have a screw loose. There is a BIG difference in you or me or Dick Lipschitz complaining about the officiating and Spurrier as head coach of the FOOTBALL team doing so...Again....Losers complain about officiating. I think you may need some time alone or a drink or something....You are proving my point as to who the losers are...
 

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Some officiating crews call games tight, others let them play. Hayes has been prone to foul trouble all year and many of them were sensless-type fouls. Chiozza is a tight defender and yet seldom was in foul trouble. However, in the Texas Tech game he was trying to guard Keenan Allen, an All-American with a size advantage. Their coach said part of their game plan was to make Chiozza work on the defensive end and hopefully get him in foul trouble. Smart. The refs missed some call on both ends, IMO, and were more of a factor in deciding the game than I would have liked. But I don't think there was bias. They simply had the best player on the court, we couldn't stop him when it mattered and our guys missed a bunch of wide open shots that they needed to make, which they did all year in games that we lost. I thought they played hard on both ends and just came up short. Best of luck to the Red Raiders.
 

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Losing this game...ugh. That span in the first half, with so many quick fouls called on us and Cheeze going to the bench...that hurt. But it didn't hurt nearly as bad as starting the second half with ten fouls in seven minutes and Cheeze back on the bench again. It killed any sense of flow we might try to establish, our ability to speed up the game - a tactic that seems to have worked in our favor as of late. It just sucked.

But I wasn't too surprised. I've said all season that if we don't have Cheeze, we don't have offense. Despite how much time is wasted playing catch outside the arc and killing shot clock - something any of our ball handlers seem willing and able to do - the thing that got us in gear and had offense flowing was Cheeze bringing it up quickly and finding the right shooters. That, and IMO, having Hudson come alive at times and be willing and able to take over on offense for us. The rest of the time we're just hoping Egor can make a three, or Stone makes something for himself.

Focusing on this game, TT looked better and played better. I'm not going to complain about that. I'll be miffed at the refs for taking such an influence on how the game is played, and who can play. But ultimately, this is who are team is. Especially when Cheeze is on the bench.

Season is over. Kids did the best they could with a lineup lacking capable bigs or a second point guard competent to run an offense. Nobody quit. Many simply didn't have what it took to get it done.

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On the season as a whole, I am not too disappointed - again, I look at all the bigs we had on the bench and have to accept this is who we were. Hayes is not a 5, but bless his heart for doing all he could when asked to play the 5. Stone matured and it was good to see his progression. Cheeze was who we wanted, who we needed, but he wasn't enough. Egor coulda, shoulda, and woulda, but didn't...consistently. Hudson took awhile to figure it out - I'd LOVE to have him back for another year, but I don't expect that from him. Allen, never came close to what he showed us in earlier years - he got a LOT of minutes for two reasons, IMO. First, his experience made him the second choice at PG when Cheeze was out. Second, his potential was very high based on what he led us to believe in past years. However, those two factors are flawed, because he is not 'court aware' enough to be running the point (as evidenced by frequent turn overs), and he NEVER came close to what he was last season, much less what we thought he could become. While I believe he has one more year left, I honestly do NOT want him back next year. I don't want Egbunu back either - I'd rather get a younger guy like Basset to take their lumps and build for the future than to count on Eggie and have him injured or unable to perform for whatever reason.

Love the guys who gave all they had this season. But I'm ready to cut and move on without Allen, Egor, Egbunu, and reluctantly Cheeze. We'll have to see about Hudson. And in looking ahead, I'm fine with one more season for White to show he can bring in 'his guys' and make something happen. White has done well at identifying grad transfers to fill holes these past two years, I trust that will continue. I just want to see if he can get a full roster (of HEALTHY players) at all positions for a season and actually build something. That's what I'm looking for next season, and I expect a sweet sixteen out of it.
I'd be shocked if either Hudson or Egbunu are back. Allen on the other hand will be. And we need Allen because Okauru isn't reliable at point, and we can't rely only on a true freshman. With Both Hudson and Eggy gone we should have room for a transfer, so hopefully we get a center or pg to help out.
 

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Losers complain about the officials. SOS complained about them so Diehard is comparing himself to SOS. :what: you just called SOS a loser..............unless there is some kind of new logic or grammar we have not heard about.............
 

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You're probably right on the money here.Except I don't see Hudson returning. I love Kevaughn, but he's just not a point guard. Depending on which freshmen is more ready to start I see the lineup going something line this. Okauru- Allen- K Johnson- Stone & Hayes or Nembhart , Allen , Okauru in a 3 guard lineup with Stone & Hayes. With Bassett, Gak, C Johnson and Locke coming of the bench. Ballard needs to grow up in a hurry. Otherwise he won't be getting many minutes. White seems to like big guys that can run the floor, so Stokes will need to get in great shape over the off season to crack the rotation.

1. I agree Hudson will not be back and I think should not be back as I think he will be drafted.

2. The only reason I have Okauru at SG is that a guy on another site says the staff sees him more as a SG. I can also imagine that in recruiting Nembhard UF promised Allen would play and he would get minutes and maybe start the first year and then have the job after that. That covers their bases. Then going forward UF would have two good ball handling guards in Nembhard and Okauru and could mix in whatever guards play the best.

3. I see it more as Allen, Nembhard and Okauru rotation filling the 80 minutes at the 1 and the 2, some mixture of Hudson, Ballard and K. Johnson at the 3 and maybe some Stone. Bassett, C. Johnson, Hayes, Gak and Stokes using up the 80 minutes at the 4/5.

4. I prefer this starting lineup:

PG: Allen until or unless Nembhard shows he is ready.
SG: Okauru presuming Hudson is gone
SF: Stone
PF: Bassett
G: Hayes or Gak

5. I prefer this kind of rotation:

Guard: Allen, Nembhard, Okauru
SF: Stone, Ballard
Post: Bassett, Hayes, Gak, C. Johnson

An 8 or at most 9 man rotation is best late in the season.
 

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I'd be shocked if either Hudson or Egbunu are back. Allen on the other hand will be. And we need Allen because Okauru isn't reliable at point, and we can't rely only on a true freshman. With Both Hudson and Eggy gone we should have room for a transfer, so hopefully we get a center or pg to help out.
That kid from Kentucky has been great as a freshman (Gilgous-Alexander) and was originally committed to Florida before Caliperi got involved. If Nembhart is as good as advertised, there's no reason he can't start at PG.
 

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