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Maybe the worst of Mullen’s sins was his not using Pierce enough. Dameon we hardly knew ye..what a great person and Gator!
Game Thread ***OFFICIAL GASPARILLA BOWL GAME THREAD: UF vs UCF***
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Ok, so some of you think otherwise, BUT remember in the 50's the girl's school out west which neither of us thought would amount to anything. Their overall record has been pretty good & they are considered one of the big 3 in FL, so it is more than possible that UCF could end up being the BIG 4.
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How can something be more than possible? Either it’s possible or not. And of course anything that is physically possible is strictly possible. But that’s not what you mean, is it? Do you mean to say it’s likely they’ll form the Big 4 with UF, FSU, and UM? Well, it’s not, for two reasons.
One, they don’t play in a major conference. Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 is just another JV league conference. Not a single team there garners any respect and no one will care any more about UCF eking out victories over OK State and Iowa State than they did Cincinnati and Houston. It’s only slightly better than when they joined the Big East/AAC.
Two, the Big Three all have real championships and UCF will never win a real championship in football. All three rose up in a different time where every good recruit in the state wasn’t already staked out and made into a commodity, before mega facilities and all the other goodies UCF doesn’t have. At the end of the day, they are a commuter school on the ass end of Orlando. The Bithlo Knights. Their brand is corny and their logo sucks and everyone knows it.
How can something be more than possible? Either it’s possible or not. And of course anything that is physically possible is strictly possible. But that’s not what you mean, is it? Do you mean to say it’s likely they’ll form the Big 4 with UF, FSU, and UM? Well, it’s not, for two reasons.
One, they don’t play in a major conference. Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 is just another JV league conference. Not a single team there garners any respect and no one will care any more about UCF eking out victories over OK State and Iowa State than they did Cincinnati and Houston. It’s only slightly better than when they joined the Big East/AAC.
Two, the Big Three all have real championships and UCF will never win a real championship in football. All three rose up in a different time where every good recruit in the state wasn’t already staked out and made into a commodity, before mega facilities and all the other goodies UCF doesn’t have. At the end of the day, they are a commuter school on the ass end of Orlando. The Bithlo Knights. Their brand is corny and their logo sucks and everyone knows it.
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UCF will climb, even if stumbly. The fan volume is there and the foolproof money keeps flowing in. Soon UCF will find the "magic" CEO-HC and up the upstart will go. Our disdain for their beginnings will become moot. They will successfully mine the recruit-bed that is the state of Florida.
And that always pays off for any program.
And that always pays off for any program.
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UCF could surpass one or two of the Big 3 in any given year. Doing it consistently would take a lot more time and $$$. But they have a huge student body and the Alumni are out making $$$ ... so its likely they will play a bigger role. NIL $$$ is the key.
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They're not recruiting at anywhere close to level where they'll be able to compete for titles in even the newly gutted Big 12, let alone with the big 3 Florida programs. Per 24/7, UCF has pulled in a total of two 4* recruits in the five classes from 2018-2022.
Our pokey little transition class that BN had to pull out of a dive at the last minute has three times as many blue chips as the last 5 UCF classes combined. Miami's class this year has 4x as many, and FSUcks has 3.5x as many. The talent gap is astonishing.
UCF looks good because they're playing in a state of Florida that's been historically weak for college football over the last few years and because they win bowl games, which are mostly about who wants it more. They always want it more because they're playing up whereas the big name program is either in a rare hole or, in good years for UCF, just got eliminated from playoff contention. The big name program doesn't want to be there and UCF wants to claim superiority. That won't be the case in the Big 12 regular season.
If Napier does half as well as we all think he will, UF won't be in striking distance for long. If NorveLLLLLLL is actually turning things around at FSUcks and Cristobal recruits as well as his reputation, that door is closing really fast. I think UCF might have missed their opportunity, at least for now.
All of this is subject to change if they manage to get a Steve Spurrier or Bobby Bowden figure, of course, as rog mentioned. Scott Frost might have been that guy for them if he'd stuck around, but Gus Malzahn definitely isn't. Those guys don't come around very often, though.
Our pokey little transition class that BN had to pull out of a dive at the last minute has three times as many blue chips as the last 5 UCF classes combined. Miami's class this year has 4x as many, and FSUcks has 3.5x as many. The talent gap is astonishing.
UCF looks good because they're playing in a state of Florida that's been historically weak for college football over the last few years and because they win bowl games, which are mostly about who wants it more. They always want it more because they're playing up whereas the big name program is either in a rare hole or, in good years for UCF, just got eliminated from playoff contention. The big name program doesn't want to be there and UCF wants to claim superiority. That won't be the case in the Big 12 regular season.
If Napier does half as well as we all think he will, UF won't be in striking distance for long. If NorveLLLLLLL is actually turning things around at FSUcks and Cristobal recruits as well as his reputation, that door is closing really fast. I think UCF might have missed their opportunity, at least for now.
All of this is subject to change if they manage to get a Steve Spurrier or Bobby Bowden figure, of course, as rog mentioned. Scott Frost might have been that guy for them if he'd stuck around, but Gus Malzahn definitely isn't. Those guys don't come around very often, though.
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The real tough thing if they get a Spurrier or a Bowden will be keeping him. Not sure how they could stop one of the big boys from swooping in, just like when they had Frost.
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#1 - who knows what conference UCF will be in within the next 10 years. Every conference has at least one relatively strong team, some mid teams and low teams. In the SEC it is currently Ala. & GA and ACC, it WAS Clemson, etc. etc. I well remember when Ala. was at the bottom of the barrel. Things seem to go in cycles and it is well time for Miami & Florida to be back in contention for the NC.
#2 - Agree.....certainly the advent of the portal has added another facet to college football. that coaches have to contend with. Not sure if I like this or not - Regardless, why the hate for UCF?
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Does anybody recognize that UF is "big-boys" elite where it counts because of 4 years of Tim Tebow at the helm? One QB that made all of it fall into top place.? Another similarly physically dominant & spiritually arousing QB will catapult lesser teams up. They just come along way spaced apart. AR can be national, but he can't bash the enemy into submission like Tebow could. I pray that Napcrew can make a Tebowesque QB out of AR, so Gators can have that offense that can score on most every drive.
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The chippy entitled delusional arrogance and knowing alum who are oozing with that entitled arrogance. We could talk about the “let’s storm the WLOCP” the faux championships, the insufferable Sentinel articles, Danny White’s email antics, and countless message board warriors touting the NCAA’s listing of the Colley Matrix championship (even Bama doesn’t claim Colley Matrix “championship” listed on the NCAA website, and Utah for some reason didn’t put up banners in 2008). So the pro wrestling self promotion rhetoric doesn’t sit well with me.
You can’t even congratulate them on a victory over a crappy 6-6 team that finished one spot above dead last in their conference playing without a head coach, an offensive coordinator, or a defensive coordinator in a pre-Christmas day bowl without them trying to claim this is proof the mighty Knights are not just the better team on a given night, but that they are literally the top program in Florida and have been for quite some time.
It’s delusional, antagonistic, and annoying, adverse to facts and logic. They just wag their finger and repeat their slogans like a brainwashed teenager at a political rally. So… hate is a strong word, but I’m done cheering on little brother. And their brand really is corny. The Knights, the Bounce House. They make the Vandy Commodores seem badass. It’s corny and dumb. I’m surprised they don’t just borrow traditions like a high school team— fight on like USC, use Notre Dame’s fight song, and have their band dot the i in Central Florida.
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I know about the other contributors ... but it started with the QB and ended with him.
The greatness of those teams depended on Tim Tebow. Without Tim, the others, although they are competitive, they win no championships. There are many game MVPs whose teams lost that game. Harvin was a favorite of mine and Tebow used him well. :D
The greatness of those teams depended on Tim Tebow. Without Tim, the others, although they are competitive, they win no championships. There are many game MVPs whose teams lost that game. Harvin was a favorite of mine and Tebow used him well. :D
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If you don't believe UCF can compete with the big three Florida schools then you must also believe the talent at UF is below a C grade because they just stood up to our current roster.
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Didnt we already have this conversation in another thread?! Talent only means potential. So yes Florida has a much higher ceiling based upon talent than UCF does. Doesnt mean that on any given game that talent can play to the potential (i.e bowl game). And when it comes to recruiting, UCF has not shown it can compete with the big3, which there means talent is less which therefore means potential is lower. For the last time, UCF is no where near to displacing the big 3 in a 5 year window. Why, because to do that, they have to have a legitimate shot at winning a natty in that time frame. The big 3 do, if only based upon previous recruiting and conference affiliation. UCF is doing the right things to move in that direction, and sure, they can have some nice seasons based upon win #s in that time frame, but they will get nowhere near a national title in the next 5 years. UF, UM and FSU all have better shots at seeing a title during that time frame.
And for the love of God, can we shut up about the supposed advantage of having 70k student body?!! The majority of these students are part-time, online students that are 40 yo with 3 kids and mortgage. These are people that slightly give a passing F about how UCF does in football, they are not suddenly going to be T. Boone Pickiens donors. Only a small fraction, less than half of the student body have that genuine on-campus, grow-up, in your blood experience that translates to mega donor. And even if that happens its still not for 5+ years.
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If you haven’t noticed, our recruiting has been subpar for over a decade now. Also, we played that game with several players and coaches missing (either mentally or physically).
If the big 3 continue in mediocrity, sure ucf could make some noise.
Right now, UF is in prime position to take over as the outright alpha dog if CBN seizes the moment. cristobal could also reestablish scum, but still debatable if he has the resources. The fact that f$u couldn’t beat our dumpster of a team this year doesn’t bode well for them, though their recruiting has picked up from a year ago.
