If not Mullen who?

[BruceWayne]

Chad Morris

 

[TheDouglas78]

So winning 8-10 games is bare minimum? you serious clark??? This whole site would be kissing his hair bean bag if he wins 10 games this year.

Is your expectation so low that 8-10 games is ok, that's what gets you Zook. Look at our schedule this year, if he doesn't have 9/10 wins then he has already failed.

And it does matter about Muschdump and Butters buyouts when you are writing into contracts other pay entitlements, not just base salary. Instead of paying that money to them, Mullens/Strick could have had that extra resource at thier disposal to go and hire better coordinators/recruiters. Thats why Urbs could go and get the best coordinators and recruiters at that time because he had every resource at his disposal, (Im sure Zooklanders buyout was no where near both Mushdump and Butters, combined) And how does one become Elite? was Saban elite in 06-08 at Bama? Nope. He only became Elite by surrounding himself with the best coordinators/recruiters out there.

There is so much wrong with this paragraph I don't know where to start. So you first counter your own argument, by btching about sunken costs. Let me ask you this are we getting the money for Butters or Muschchamp back? If the answer is no, then they are not part of this conversation at all. Especially for a sport where according to the balance sheet we are making a net profit of around $52 million ('16-'17). That's just bad business to use sunken costs into the equation moving forward.

So because of them we could have paid more for assistants. But overpaying for Mullen doesn't also reduce the amount we can pay for assistants. You just hurt your own argument. Then you bring in the conversation about Meyer whom came in at less than Mullens and was an up and comer with a proven track record of excellence not mediocrity. He excelled at Utah and Bowling Green. It's a failed comparison.

Now Nick Saban, First he was with the Dolphins in 06 so not 06-08. In 08 he was undefeated going to the SEC Championship Game. You're argument kind a falls apart when facts are added to the context.

SoMy point is lets give him a chance, let him get his players, coaches, recruiters in here with the resources he needs, and not pigeon hole him like Fooley would do to the program in the past. He understands the GatorNation and what we demand, and that is Championships. He knows what it takes to win 'chips, from game week prep to practice to player management. I think he is extremely focused on what has to happen in order for us to return to Atlanta. I mean at least he puts together coherent sentences in his pressures.

We have no choice other to give him a chance, he is our coach for at least 3 years (unless he does something boneheaded). How do we know he isn't already pigeon holed, how do you know he wasn't hired because of previous relationship instead of being the right guy. Comparing him to the last guy is the problem, we should be comparing him to our championship coaches not to the douche that was last here.

This is where you see the standards at UF football fanbase have fallen. He is better than the last guy, well the last guy sucked more dck than T does during a porn shoot. We didn't swing for the fences, we overpaid mediocrity. There is no better indication of future performance than past performance, and there is 9 years of data on Mullen in the SEC.

 

[NCOGator]

All I want is my coach to recruit a son of a preacher that is at least a 4* as our QB. History has shown that God smiles on the Gators with son's of preachers as our QB

 

[chuckmcphail]

Is your expectation so low that 8-10 games is ok, that's what gets you Zook. Look at our schedule this year, if he doesn't have 9/10 wins then he has already failed.




There is so much wrong with this paragraph I don't know where to start. So you first counter your own argument, by btching about sunken costs. Let me ask you this are we getting the money for Butters or Muschchamp back? If the answer is no, then they are not part of this conversation at all. Especially for a sport where according to the balance sheet we are making a net profit of around $52 million ('16-'17). That's just bad business to use sunken costs into the equation moving forward.

So because of them we could have paid more for assistants. But overpaying for Mullen doesn't also reduce the amount we can pay for assistants. You just hurt your own argument. Then you bring in the conversation about Meyer whom came in at less than Mullens and was an up and comer with a proven track record of excellence not mediocrity. He excelled at Utah and Bowling Green. It's a failed comparison.

Now Nick Saban, First he was with the Dolphins in 06 so not 06-08. In 08 he was undefeated going to the SEC Championship Game. You're argument kind a falls apart when facts are added to the context.




We have no choice other to give him a chance, he is our coach for at least 3 years (unless he does something boneheaded). How do we know he isn't already pigeon holed, how do you know he wasn't hired because of previous relationship instead of being the right guy. Comparing him to the last guy is the problem, we should be comparing him to our championship coaches not to the douche that was last here.

This is where you see the standards at UF football fanbase have fallen. He is better than the last guy, well the last guy sucked more dck than T does during a porn shoot. We didn't swing for the fences, we overpaid mediocrity. There is no better indication of future performance than past performance, and there is 9 years of data on Mullen in the SEC.

8-10 wins is mediocre, and we HAVE become mediocre. We are not the Gators of old,when it was winning in Atl and beating our rivals or the season was a bust. So by your opinion you think Mullen was not a good hire with the resources that were currently available to the AD to start the rebuild of the program. Please school us in whom the AD should have broken the bank on, at the list of coaches that were available and also checked all the boxes? What truly F'd the program was Mac and Nuss contract extensions last year, they suckered a new AD into these contracts. The discussion was why we didn't go for broke to get an Elite coach, so I ask, which Elite coach would want to inherit this mess?? We are not a top spot destination anymore for coaching or recruiting. Can it be turned around? Absolutely, but its not going to happen in a season, or a fall practice as some are wanting to happen. If Mullen fails , he fails. Then all the nah-sayers and Negative Nancys will have enough ammo to fill GC til the second coming. But if he succeeds......

 

[NOLAGATOR]

Well as I said earlier bullet point 2 was your mistake. But the obvious hire given UF's situation the last two times, good defense but lacking in offense was Spurrier.

1. He would have come, heck he took another job

2. He would not have broken the bank, he never has squeezed as much as he could get out of schools.

3. He has experience

4. He clearly knows something about the Gator Nation.

5. He knows a thing about offense and how to turn defense over to assistants.

6. He has coached in the SEC.

7. He would be a better choice than Mullen though not a long term solution, but then again as we have discovered coaches don't last as long as we think.

The fly in the ointment here was of course again Foley. This move would have made everyone pro-Stricklin and Foley could not tolerated that even for an off-season even if Spurrier were ultimately not have success in a second time around.

Dude:

I'd have taken SOS in a heartbeat.

 

[TheDouglas78]

8-10 wins is mediocre, and we HAVE become mediocre. We are not the Gators of old,when it was winning in Atl and beating our rivals or the season was a bust.

If we have become mediocre and we hire to stay mediocre, why pay $6 million a year for it?

So by your opinion you think Mullen was not a good hire with the resources that were currently available to the AD to start the rebuild of the program.

My opinion is Mullen is a good to very good coach, but not a top 10 coach, so why are we paying him as something he isn't?

Please school us in whom the AD should have broken the bank on, at the list of coaches that were available and also checked all the boxes?

No coach was going to be available that checked all the boxes, Meyer probably didn't for many and Spurrier didn't for many. The question comes down to are we paying for what we are getting. If Mullen came in at 4.5/5 maybe he is worth it. But with his contract, if he is mediocre for 3 years, we are still stuck. You like to bang on the contracts for Mustank and Butters, but how much is Mullen's going to hurt of for mediocrity?

What truly F'd the program was Mac and Nuss contract extensions last year, they suckered a new AD into these contracts.

Big fck ups, that are currently sunken costs.

The discussion was why we didn't go for broke to get an Elite coach, so I ask, which Elite coach would want to inherit this mess?? We are not a top spot destination anymore for coaching or recruiting. Can it be turned around? Absolutely, but its not going to happen in a season, or a fall practice as some are wanting to happen.

That is why you take a swing at potential. At least with Musstank's resume you could say there was potential, not really Butters resume. But are you saying that Novell, Campbell, etc.. potential at $3-4 /year with more money for assistants isn't a better chance at changing our fortunes than a guy who will make us competitive, but has a history of mediocrity? Look at guys who truly excel at schools with truly limited resources (Like Meyer and Spurrier) then give them the resources at UF. Mullen didn't excel, he did well... but not excel.

If Mullen fails , he fails. Then all the nah-sayers and Negative Nancys will have enough ammo to fill GC til the second coming. But if he succeeds......

If he fails, then his contract buyout is worse than the previous two coaches combined. So if you are so worried about theirs what about his?

 

[chuckmcphail]

If we have become mediocre and we hire to stay mediocre, why pay $6 million a year for it?



My opinion is Mullen is a good to very good coach, but not a top 10 coach, so why are we paying him as something he isn't?



No coach was going to be available that checked all the boxes, Meyer probably didn't for many and Spurrier didn't for many. The question comes down to are we paying for what we are getting. If Mullen came in at 4.5/5 maybe he is worth it. But with his contract, if he is mediocre for 3 years, we are still stuck. You like to bang on the contracts for Mustank and Butters, but how much is Mullen's going to hurt of for mediocrity?



Big fck ups, that are currently sunken costs.




That is why you take a swing at potential. At least with Musstank's resume you could say there was potential, not really Butters resume. But are you saying that Novell, Campbell, etc.. potential at $3-4 /year with more money for assistants isn't a better chance at changing our fortunes than a guy who will make us competitive, but has a history of mediocrity? Look at guys who truly excel at schools with truly limited resources (Like Meyer and Spurrier) then give them the resources at UF. Mullen didn't excel, he did well... but not excel.




If he fails, then his contract buyout is worse than the previous two coaches combined. So if you are so worried about theirs what about his?

With that logic we should only pay coaches when they have won rings for the program, and the rest get paid with hugs and rainbows. In this day and age of win championships now, any coach with HC and NC winning experience and is from the SEC is going to get a max deal. No one wants to wait and see anymore. I mean look at what aTm paid Jumbo. Do you honestly think he has a chance to win the SEC West there anytime during his contract? I would say Mullen will win the East before Jumbo wins the West during their respective contracts. Mullen has turned the mentality of the entire program around, from being soft snowflakes to earth shakers...If anything he has already succeeded with the off season workouts and getting the players to buy in. You can see it in their physical appearance the way they are practicing. They are actually being coached and educated in football, not BBQ sauce and Shrvk****ing… So to me that's worth the price we paid, and will show in the field.

 

[TheDouglas78]

With that logic we should only pay coaches when they have won rings for the program, and the rest get paid with hugs and rainbows. In this day and age of win championships now, any coach with HC and NC winning experience and is from the SEC is going to get a max deal. No one wants to wait and see anymore. I mean look at what aTm paid Jumbo. Do you honestly think he has a chance to win the SEC West there anytime during his contract? I would say Mullen will win the East before Jumbo wins the West during their respective contracts. Mullen has turned the mentality of the entire program around, from being soft snowflakes to earth shakers...If anything he has already succeeded with the off season workouts and getting the players to buy in. You can see it in their physical appearance the way they are practicing. They are actually being coached and educated in football, not BBQ sauce and Shrvk****ing… So to me that's worth the price we paid, and will show in the field.

Is Mullen a top 10 coach with his current resume yes or no?

 

[chuckmcphail]

Is Mullen a top 10 coach with his current resume yes or no?

top 10 that were available to be contacted at that time? yes. Is he top 10 in the country currently? no. But he has HC in the SEC and knows what it takes to win in the SEC. did any of the other contenders have that? and wanted to come here?

 

[TheDouglas78]

top 10 that were available to be contacted at that time? yes. Is he top 10 in the country currently? no. But he has HC in the SEC and knows what it takes to win in the SEC. did any of the other contenders have that? and wanted to come here?

They why are we paying as if he is a top 5-10 coach in the country?

He is 7-34 against ranked opponents... Now at MSU I don't expect him to be 34-7, but I do expect him to have higher winning percentage than 18% (rounded up for benfit of the doubt)

He know what it takes to win in the SEC? He only has one year in SEC where he had an SEC record above (.500). What has he won?

Comparison (pulled names people listed outside of Frost, Kelly, & Petersen which we both said were not coming):
MIke Norvell over two years 12-4 in conference play (3-3 vs Top 25)
Dino Babers 4 years 16-17 in conference play (2-6 vs Top 25)
Matt Campbbell 6 years 31-19 in conference play (6-8 vs Top 25)
Charlie Strong 8 years 38-26 in coneference (7-11 vs Top 25)
Neal Brown 3 years 16-8 in conference (1-2 vs Top 25)
Willie Taggard 8 years 35-33 in conference (2-13 vs Top 25)
Mario Cristobal 6 years 21-26 in conference (0-7 vs Top 25)
Lane Kiffin 6 years 29-15 in conference (3-10 vs Top 25)
Bobby Petrino 13 years 66-35 in conference (13-27 vs Top 25)
Jeff Brohm 4 years 23-10 in conference (1-5 vs Top 25)

Number of the ones on the comparison list could have been had for half of what we are dropping on Mullen. It's about ROI and attempting to be elite, not just trying to not fck up again.

 

[Gator Fever]

Thanks for your service.

I like the Mullen Pick.

My choice would have been Charlie Strong with Kerwin Bell as OC but that would NEVER happen.

I hope all the Debbie Downers own up to it after this year. IMHO, we are on the way up.

I was big time against him because his results sucked at MSU when playing decent teams (where he somehow managed to go 3 - 34 against final ranking AP top 25 teams with only one winning SEC season in 9 years). I kind of took the attitude of wait and see once it was a done deal but it has me annoyed with how bad recruiting is going this class. My choice would have been Norvell once we knew the first 2 coaches weren't coming.

 

[LeeForThree]

Is the correct answer.....Jumbo Shrimp?

 

[chuckmcphail]

They why are we paying as if he is a top 5-10 coach in the country?

He is 7-34 against ranked opponents... Now at MSU I don't expect him to be 34-7, but I do expect him to have higher winning percentage than 18% (rounded up for benfit of the doubt)

He know what it takes to win in the SEC? He only has one year in SEC where he had an SEC record above (.500). What has he won?

Comparison (pulled names people listed outside of Frost, Kelly, & Petersen which we both said were not coming):
MIke Norvell over two years 12-4 in conference play (3-3 vs Top 25)
Dino Babers 4 years 16-17 in conference play (2-6 vs Top 25)
Matt Campbbell 6 years 31-19 in conference play (6-8 vs Top 25)
Charlie Strong 8 years 38-26 in coneference (7-11 vs Top 25)
Neal Brown 3 years 16-8 in conference (1-2 vs Top 25)
Willie Taggard 8 years 35-33 in conference (2-13 vs Top 25)
Mario Cristobal 6 years 21-26 in conference (0-7 vs Top 25)
Lane Kiffin 6 years 29-15 in conference (3-10 vs Top 25)
Bobby Petrino 13 years 66-35 in conference (13-27 vs Top 25)
Jeff Brohm 4 years 23-10 in conference (1-5 vs Top 25)

Number of the ones on the comparison list could have been had for half of what we are dropping on Mullen. It's about ROI and attempting to be elite, not just trying to not fck up again.

I wanted Strong, and Mullen at OC. But AD didn’t even want to open the bank on that tandem. As you would have had to pay both of them 4 mil a year. And Mullen wasn’t taking a lower level job even if the pay would be more.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I wanted Strong, and Mullen at OC.

I cant imagine why that didn't work.

 

[YLGator]

I wanted Strong, and Mullen at OC. But AD didn’t even want to open the bank on that tandem. As you would have had to pay both of them 4 mil a year. And Mullen wasn’t taking a lower level job even if the pay would be more.

Strong? Seriously, was it his 6-7 first season at Texas or his following consecutive 5-7 seasons at Texas that convinced you he was the best guy for the job.

 

[Blacklabgator]

Strong? Seriously, was it his 6-7 first season at Texas or his following consecutive 5-7 seasons at Texas that convinced you he was the best guy for the job.

Have never understood the Strong love

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Have never understood the Strong love

But you understand Mullinz love?

What is Strong's record vs ranked teams?

Strong just didn't manage to land four directional schools and kintucky every year. That's five automatic wins, though Mullinz lost one of each in his time.

I don't think either are even close to being elite at calling plays on either side of the ball.

Strong is at least a great recruiter.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Is your expectation so low that 8-10 games is ok, that's what gets you Zook. Look at our schedule this year, if he doesn't have 9/10 wins then he has already failed.




There is so much wrong with this paragraph I don't know where to start. So you first counter your own argument, by btching about sunken costs. Let me ask you this are we getting the money for Butters or Muschchamp back? If the answer is no, then they are not part of this conversation at all. Especially for a sport where according to the balance sheet we are making a net profit of around $52 million ('16-'17). That's just bad business to use sunken costs into the equation moving forward.

So because of them we could have paid more for assistants. But overpaying for Mullen doesn't also reduce the amount we can pay for assistants. You just hurt your own argument. Then you bring in the conversation about Meyer whom came in at less than Mullens and was an up and comer with a proven track record of excellence not mediocrity. He excelled at Utah and Bowling Green. It's a failed comparison.

Now Nick Saban, First he was with the Dolphins in 06 so not 06-08. In 08 he was undefeated going to the SEC Championship Game. You're argument kind a falls apart when facts are added to the context.




We have no choice other to give him a chance, he is our coach for at least 3 years (unless he does something boneheaded). How do we know he isn't already pigeon holed, how do you know he wasn't hired because of previous relationship instead of being the right guy. Comparing him to the last guy is the problem, we should be comparing him to our championship coaches not to the douche that was last here.

This is where you see the standards at UF football fanbase have fallen. He is better than the last guy, well the last guy sucked more dck than T does during a porn shoot. We didn't swing for the fences, we overpaid mediocrity. There is no better indication of future performance than past performance, and there is 9 years of data on Mullen in the SEC.

mcfail should have just stopped after this one. Total ownage all around.

 

[chuckmcphail]

Strong? Seriously, was it his 6-7 first season at Texas or his following consecutive 5-7 seasons at Texas that convinced you he was the best guy for the job.

At least he can recruit FL, which is what we really need right now, and that's players. No one wanted to come here and get their arse kicked for 4 years with the MacNuss O juggernaut. And I truly believe that some of those USF/UTex players could have contributed a great deal here with the resources we have.

 

[chuckmcphail]

mcfail should have just stopped after this one. Total ownage all around.

how is being positive getting owned? what because I didn't put Mullen down about his record, his lack of recruiting, why we paid 6 mil for him? Hes the HC now, support him or don't. The choice is yours.. I choose to try and be supportive in times of desperation. Karma tends look on those who stay positive.