Recruiting 2019 recruiting still Butterslike, #17 class

[TheDouglas78]

Agree with the first part. As far as beating Georgia? We had the game plan to beat them and the offense crapped the bed in the first half. Had we got the lead we needed we could have teed off on fromm.

We need depth for many reasons but had we stayed healthy and not lost Linton, Wilson and Henderson as well as Stewart we had the talent to win. We don't have the talent to survive that many losses.

If we didn't get injuries... it's football... This is the reason that you should be getting as much talent as possible, and why we don't just need bodies but blu-chip bodies. This is why while yesterday was a good day, it wasn't a great day. If through February our ranking and the type of athlete that makes those rankings stays the same, then we are not making the progress to compete long term against our rivals. The legghumpers lose a blu-chipper they replace him with a blu-chiper… We lose a blu-chipper we replace him with a 3*. Also if they miss on a blu-chip, they might have another blu-chip that they don't miss on. If we miss, it's 3* guy that has to take his place. The previous regimes fcked us in several areas on the roster, and in the amount of blu-chip talent they recruited. Scheme only takes you so far, talent has to cover that difference. We schemed well against the legghumpers, until they out talented us.

 

[Malaka]

If we didn't get injuries... it's football... This is the reason that you should be getting as much talent as possible, and why we don't just need bodies but blu-chip bodies. This is why while yesterday was a good day, it wasn't a great day. If through February our ranking and the type of athlete that makes those rankings stays the same, then we are not making the progress to compete long term against our rivals. The legghumpers lose a blu-chipper they replace him with a blu-chiper… We lose a blu-chipper we replace him with a 3*. Also if they miss on a blu-chip, they might have another blu-chip that they don't miss on. If we miss, it's 3* guy that has to take his place. The previous regimes fcked us in several areas on the roster, and in the amount of blu-chip talent they recruited. Scheme only takes you so far, talent has to cover that difference. We schemed well against the legghumpers, until they out talented us.

Again....I don't disagree and mac neglected the defense. That said we have been snake bit at certain positions like very few others. Under champ and mac it was qb. Even with talent in the wings, unless you have experience also any team is going to suffer with 4 losses in one area of the field

 

[Malaka]

I can't recall one year under Spurrier where we lost as many players at one position as we did qbs under champ in 13 on and defensive players under champ and mac, specifically secondary and linebacker

 

[BMF]

Agree with the first part. As far as beating Georgia? We had the game plan to beat them and the offense crapped the bed in the first half. Had we got the lead we needed we could have teed off on fromm.

We need depth for many reasons but had we stayed healthy and not lost Linton, Wilson and Henderson as well as Stewart we had the talent to win. We don't have the talent to survive that many losses. We are competitive with Georgia already even with the huge talent disparity. Defense has me worried for next year but we will have to wait and see who steps up

I'm going to disagree w/ the UGA game. Football is two halves. Many SEC teams can hang w/ a power program for a half. It's the second half, usually, where teams w/ rosters like UGA & Alabama separate. Hell, Citadel had Alabama on the ropes for one half - 10 to 10 tie at halftime....to The Citadel!

Are we on par with Missouri?

Our offense struggled against any team with a pulse on defense (I posted this in the Peach Bowl thread but here goes again: Missouri 17, UGA 17, Miss State 13, UK 16, and LSU 20 - offensive points). So we averaged around 17 points/game vs. solid defenses. We didn't have the "game plan to beat" UGA. And our defense got it's asses handed to them vs. UGA (except for the classic 7 play goal line stand).

This is where a deep talented roster beats you. It allows you to overcome those injuries you mentioned. Man down? No problem, plug in the 4-star sophomore waiting in the wings.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Again....I don't disagree and mac neglected the defense. That said we have been snake bit at certain positions like very few others. Under champ and mac it was qb. Even with talent in the wings, unless you have experience also any team is going to suffer with 4 losses in one area of the field

It's only snake bit, if you don't have depth. Injuries are part of the game. You listed players in the UGA game, one that had been out since KY. That's isn't a good excuse. You don't remember this happening with Spurrier or Meyer, because they have complete talented rosters. This is the issue that is current with this class. He address OL fantastically, but we are still lacking at DT, Safety, and arguably at LB and DE.

 

[Malaka]

I'm going to disagree w/ the UGA game. Football is two halves. Many SEC teams can hang w/ a power program for a half. It's the second half, usually, where teams w/ rosters like UGA & Alabama separate. Hell, Citadel had Alabama on the ropes for one half - 10 to 10 tie at halftime....to The Citadel!

Are we on par with Missouri?

Our offense struggled against any team with a pulse on defense (I posted this in the Peach Bowl thread but here goes again: Missouri 17, UGA 17, Miss State 13, UK 16, and LSU 20 - offensive points). So we averaged around 17 points/game vs. solid defenses. We didn't have the "game plan to beat" UGA. And our defense got it's asses handed to them vs. UGA (except for the classic 7 play goal line stand).

This is where a deep talented roster beats you. It allows you to overcome those injuries you mentioned. Man down? No problem, plug in the 4-star sophomore waiting in the wings.

I seriously doubt even Bama or Georgia can take a hit of 4 players at one position and not have a drop off. Again, I acknowledge we are thin. Very thin. Injuries are part of the game but some injuries are easier to overcome than others. Even in 13 when we lost our top 2 qbs Murphy stepped up and at least moved the ball better with his legs and then we were left with skyler. Thats a freakish amount of bad luck

 

[Tay Bang]

Sorry Traz, those posts were made well past my bedtime and got lost in the storm of the numerous recruiting threads.

We agree the Gators should be near or at the top every year in recruiting and winning. We disagree on where our program stands at the moment. I interpret your posts as you feel we should attract the cream of the crop every year regardless of the condition of our program and facilities. I can see as clear as day why the top recruits aren't committing this year. Our program and image have sucked for a decade. I'm not the only one around here who feels that way. I'm not sure why that triggers you and Donkey so much. Actually, it's some triggered bull$hit the way you two go apes$hit every time a poster says something positive about the direction of the program. This place would have easily 2 - 3 times the members if they didn't have to go through the triggered gauntlet every time they pumped a little sunshine.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

Having a hard time with UT, Washington, Arky and FSU being a head of us....I said I would be forgiving of a 10-12 ranked class as long as it went a long way with roster development but we are at a critical state in the DT position and need to shore up the LB and DB's also.....We might need to visit the transfer and JuCo aisle again as much as I'd like to see us get off the need in the near future.

Take away the fact they are ranked higher look at the individuals signed and committed that are t likely to flip and would you actually want to exchange classes with them?

 

[Malaka]

It's only snake bit, if you don't have depth. Injuries are part of the game. You listed players in the UGA game, one that had been out since KY. That's isn't a good excuse. You don't remember this happening with Spurrier or Meyer, because they have complete talented rosters. This is the issue that is current with this class. He address OL fantastically, but we are still lacking at DT, Safety, and arguably at LB and DE.

Again, when did we lose 3 qbs under Spurrier, or 4 dbs? If we lost Larry Kennedy, michale Gilmore and a young lawrence wright. And anthone lott you're darn right we would have suffered under spurrier

 

[Gator Fever]

Agree with the first part. As far as beating Georgia? We had the game plan to beat them and the offense crapped the bed in the first half. Had we got the lead we needed we could have teed off on fromm.

Keep thinking we are close to Georgia. They had underclassmen all over the field and put a big scare into Bama. We wouldn't have hanged with that Bama team without a bunch of turnovers imo.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Take away the fact they are ranked higher look at the individuals signed and committed that are t likely to flip and would you actually want to exchange classes with them?

Not exactly what I was getting at with my post. I understand that we are in a 2 or 3 year roster restructuring process.....Still that doesn't completely excuse the lack of a couple 5 star players if you see what I mean.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

Not exactly what I was getting at with my post. I understand that we are in a 2 or 3 year roster restructuring process.....Still that doesn't completely excuse the lack of a couple 5 star players if you see what I mean.

I get that just saying team rankings aren’t everything...despite their ranking FSU’s class is a disaster and getting worse. Muschamps classes here were ranked pretty good but same thing they were not balanced at all and left gapping holes everywhere.

 

[Malaka]

Dline needs to be addressed. No argument. I liked your commentary at GC but you have a way more negative slanted twist here. Games are fluid. Franks shat the bed against uga and that first quarter was a game changer. We were at a talent discrepancy and we had a good game plan that hinged on a competent qb showing up and a razor thin defense stayimg healthy. If Henderson doesn't run down the ut tight end the game changes. I'm not saying we are toe to toe with uga but IF a team stays healthy only so many guys can get on the field at one time.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Again, when did we lose 3 qbs under Spurrier, or 4 dbs? If we lost Larry Kennedy, michale Gilmore and a young lawrence wright. And anthone lott you're darn right we would have suffered under spurrier

Do you remember Brindise?

 

[Gatorraid81]

So is anyone talking about how Dwan Mathis flipped to Georgia without even visiting them?

Wonder if they told the kid that Fields was likely headed to OSU, so you might as well go to Uga. Still, amazing that he never visited them.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

I get that just saying team rankings aren’t everything...despite their ranking FSU’s class is a disaster and getting worse. Muschamps classes here were ranked pretty good but same thing they were not balanced at all and left gapping holes everywhere.

Yup. I'm loving the amount of attention were getting from offensive linemen. We really need 2, maybe 3 more DT types...Balance is essential as recent history has taught us....one moron didn't recruit offensive players and the next mostly ignored the defense. Still though a marquee type guy(5 star) can have a HUGE impact not only on the field but can really bolster recruiting for several years...

 

[Malaka]

Do you remember Brindise?

Yep. One year and we played him because Doug was a turnover machine. Its been some time and I may be mistaken but even if brindise got on the field I dont recall losing 3 players in front of him. 2 but not 3. Didnt we lose Brantley, Driskel and Murphy before resorting to a walk on mornigwheg? Again I may be mistaken