California, Florida sign law to allow college athletes to get paid

[ChiefGator]

I don't really see how many schools use player's "likeness" to raise money. An alternative would be to set up a trust for each school, hire someone to promote players as they are able and use the money for some common player issues. Like say some who are real poor, get hurt and can't play, have issues later, etc. Sort of like a charity. If UF starts allowing this my support probably would decline, if you want to be a pro go for it, otherwise take the deal and be very happy to be a Gator.

 

[itsgr82bag8r]

Yep. Others put your post as high. Guess not -
Does Tim Tebow know? Florida bill would allow college athletes to cash in

Which legislator let’s their state’s college teams be at a disadvantage due to their actions?



Can’t we assume Facts 1&2 are correct, and still add Fact 3: some athletes are in position to make money now based on their play from third party endorsements? These are not opposite positions unless you just believe Athlete’s are some limited area that need to have third party income suppressed. Maybe you do, but it’s not because of these facts. It almost has to be competitive concerns across such an already imbalanced sport.



The Power 5 are already under separate rules from the rest and have a right to issue their own legislation. If the NCAA destroys the PAC 12, and SEC (since some southern state is going to do the same to protect its school), the Power 5 split from the NCAA (those schools hold the greatest value, not their self selected regulator). This might be the end of the NCAA basketball tourney, but not college football or basketball. Those top schools can just select a new regulation body or commissioner.



WHY? No other 18-22 year olds are forced to have their money managed by a stranger (maybe they should). Why is it this athlete has to be so limited, especially if working with an agent who can place them with a financial manager? Granted, many will be idiots, blow the money, get robbed by trusted advisors, etc. but, that happens literally everywhere. Even the trustee of this hypothetical trust could commit a crime when given power over funds. It’s not just Athletes: look how many ponzi schemes feast on the wealthy?



Who won last years FCS Playoffs. What about the D2 basketball tournament? That is about the only place you are watching full amateurism.

Newsflash, it’s been dead at the highest levels for decades. Its just been illegal, causing all of these schools (us too) to cheat.

As to the Yankee’s reference (in a different post) for dominating player acquisition (and Swamp Donkey’s ironic dislike for this law), once we move a portion of the money we all already spend on Gator sports away from the control of the UAA (who sends it to sports we don’t care about), the Gators are the Yankees. Again, maybe Texas are the Red Sox and ND are the Dodgers, but if our team fervor was truly monetized to the product interest on the field we stand to gain, not lose. Schools like Miss St or Vandy on the other hand, are (still) F’d (but is that really any more than already exists)?

Why don’t we want our $ supporting our Gator football interest going to those that make it better instead of the women’s rowing team? We have 100 plus page threads bytching about this, yet if the Athletes get it we oppose it? This would remove the destructor plate the UAA (and federal government) place upon our competing equally or ahead of schools when we have more football interest. Bama, for instance, clearly puts money were it is earned. We don’t. Unless this happens and the market will make it so.

Yes, amateur sports has been under siege from money grubbing bastards since the Olympics began in Greece. The only reason it still has breath in its purist form is people who refuse to conform to greed for the sake of the sport. I see you’re just fine doing that. My guess is it never meant that much to you to begin with, so nothing lost. That’s sad.

Atlas shrugged.

 

[EyeDocGator]

Let California pull away from the NCAA so the whole country can tune in to the exciting brand of football being played by USC, UCLA, SJS, SDS and Cal in the Compensated College league. This will be a great one for the TV carriers to skip.

It would be great if true. Unfortunately, when the Cali schools start offering $500,000 signing bonuses to 5*s they will acquire the best players.

 

[Sec14Gator]

My guess is it never meant that much to you to begin with, so nothing lost.

Mostly true. Gator sports matter a great deal to me — Enough to be a season ticket holder and booster most of my post-college life (I’m already paying a great deal for this “amateur” product).

What really never did add value to a win or make it worse during a loss is that I knew the players are not paid. First, I never believed it is fully true. Second, it just doesn’t matter to me and I’m legitimately confused as to why it does to others (except that very strong feeling that exists because that is how it’s always been). None of you are arguing how unfair this will be to low level schools or our games against Northern Iowa will be a bigger blowout (I don’t believe the balance will actually shift too much regardless).

 

[Jack o' Diamonds]

You'd rather see them steal from Dillard's or defraud universities through credit card scams?

I don't see where any of this will change. It's part of the culture of today's youngsters..

And I don't read anything in that law that says the universities are going to pay the athletes.
What I read is that they will be able to hire an agent to market themselves. Nothing comes directly from the university. Not many of these players are actually marketable for two or three years anyway. Still a huge advantage for certain institutions..

 

[Zambo]

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WHY? No other 18-22 year olds are forced to have their money managed by a stranger (maybe they should). Why is it this athlete has to be so limited, especially if working with an agent who can place them with a financial manager? Granted, many will be idiots, blow the money, get robbed by trusted advisors, etc. but, that happens literally everywhere. Even the trustee of this hypothetical trust could commit a crime when given power over funds. It’s not just Athletes: look how many ponzi schemes feast on the wealthy?
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Because the only reason they are in a position to receive such endorsements is because of the university that they play for. We aren't comparing this to some other 18-22 year old who starts a business. In fact, these guys are perfectly free to start a business like any other 18-22 year old and make as much money as they want. NO OTHER students at the university are there to make money. Every one of them is spending money to get an education. The fact that the university can make money off a football or basketball game doesn't change that. As has been mentioned, they are getting paid. They are getting an education that costs tens of thousands of dollars and in the long run is worth millions in future wages. And all the while they are getting free room and board and even some spending money. But that's not enough for some kid who otherwise would be flipping burgers, he's gotta get money for his jersey and do some local car ads as well. JFC, college sports is already a big enough joke letting some of these "student athletes" attend a school they otherwise would NEVER be able to attend, but now we gotta let them make it into even more of a joke. The idea behind putting any earnings into escrow is to at least make these fkers get their degree.

 

[Zambo]

I don't see where any of this will change. It's part of the culture of today's youngsters..

And I don't read anything in that law that says the universities are going to pay the athletes.
What I read is that they will be able to hire an agent to market themselves. Nothing comes directly from the university. Not many of these players are actually marketable for two or three years anyway. Still a huge advantage for certain institutions..

Right, because the local car dealership with "strong ties to the University" won't make arrangements to pay the kid for car commercials if he comes to play for the local school instead of the rival. The gaps in this scheme are so wide open you could fly a 747 through them.

 

[oxrageous]

Because the only reason they are in a position to receive such endorsements is because of the university that they play for. We aren't comparing this to some other 18-22 year old who starts a business. In fact, these guys are perfectly free to start a business like any other 18-22 year old and make as much money as they want. NO OTHER students at the university are there to make money. Every one of them is spending money to get an education. The fact that the university can make money off a football or basketball game doesn't change that. As has been mentioned, they are getting paid. They are getting an education that costs tens of thousands of dollars and in the long run is worth millions in future wages. And all the while they are getting free room and board and even some spending money. But that's not enough for some kid who otherwise would be flipping burgers, he's gotta get money for his jersey and do some local car ads as well. JFC, college sports is already a big enough joke letting some of these "student athletes" attend a school they otherwise would NEVER be able to attend, but now we gotta let them make it into even more of a joke. The idea behind putting any earnings into escrow is to at least make these fkers get their degree.

It certainly makes the idea of them being an actual college student a complete joke, kind of like the "one and done" basketball rule, where a kid can go to a school for six months, blow off class, and then leap to the NBA.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

It would be great if true. Unfortunately, when the Cali schools start offering $500,000 signing bonuses to 5*s they will acquire the best players.

no one in Cali gives a shyt about college football.

hell they don't even care about NFL but their interest in colleges miniscule.

no this is just SJWing.

 

[Gatorbreath]

Finger and sofla are among the posters nailing this idiotic policy.

As for CU-UF: Does CU mean Colorado? If so, you may want to take a break from huffing all the legal weed out there.

A free education - something that is literally priceless - room, board, food, fame and lots of easy pu$$y is way more than fair recompense to play a friggin fun game. In front of adoring fans and on TV. More than enough. If this country weren't currently tilted so far off its axis, these kids would be bowing down throughout each and every day thanking God for blessings.

I have long said that college football and to a lesser extent, college hoops is broken. Both sports rely on too many participants that have no business anywhere near a college campus. If you look at the 85 scholarship slots available, for most schools (possibly except the Vandys, Stanfords and Northwesterns of the world), what percentage of these kids belongs on a college campus purely from the academic perspective? Comparatively few, I'd imagine.

College football needs a system akin to college baseball. The NFL needs to set up a minor league system. High school seniors that are serious about academics can elect to play college football and receive full rides, enjoy all the fringe benefits of being college football studs on campus, graduate after 4 years and then pursue careers with their degrees - or be drafted or try to make it onto an NFL roster. Gold-tooth wearing thugs or meth house royalty from Appalachia that couldn't care a wit about education can take the payday right out of high school and pursue their football dreams in the minor league and not have to pretend to go to class to major in basket weaving. You'd see far fewer college players on the police blotter, too.

An aside, better-suited for the PF: California is a cancer on America. Whether it is some type of crazy environmental policy that requires manufacturers jump through hoops to sell in their state - which then requires the rest of America to swallow the results of that regulation - or this policy - they know what they are doing. They know that, as the largest and most populous state - policies enacted there will be forced down the throats of the other 49 states and against their will. And they love it. This is nothing but another leftist attack on a cherished American institution. California - do us all a favor and secede already. The rest of us will hold the door for you.

 

[GatorJ]

You guys are bat shyt crazy. College football is going nowhere. I guess “the sky is falling” is everybody’s mentality today.

 

[stephenPE]

Law's pissed because he knows we'll pay minimum wage.

I know just look at the tiles on the floor or ceiling.........we will be the Dollar General of college football.

Its time to send 78 to Gator Country.

love it or leave..........call me not surprised.

Only if they shush you.

This. I'm glad to have lived when I did because I got to see a lot of things before they went to shyt.

Is there any question at this point in time how desperately we need term-limits at every level of government?

And I don't read anything in that law that says the universities are going to pay the athletes.
What I read is that they will be able to hire an agent to market themselves.

no one in Cali gives a shyt about college football.

I hear they actually sh!t on sidewalks out there.........and now shttting on our passion.........aint this some shhttttttt

An aside, better-suited for the PF: California is a cancer on America.

going back to reality...........

 

[itsgr82bag8r]

Mostly true. Gator sports matter a great deal to me — Enough to be a season ticket holder and booster most of my post-college life (I’m already paying a great deal for this “amateur” product).

What really never did add value to a win or make it worse during a loss is that I knew the players are not paid. First, I never believed it is fully true. Second, it just doesn’t matter to me and I’m legitimately confused as to why it does to others (except that very strong feeling that exists because that is how it’s always been). None of you are arguing how unfair this will be to low level schools or our games against Northern Iowa will be a bigger blowout (I don’t believe the balance will actually shift too much regardless).

Close, but a miss. None of us are arguing your point about “low level” schools because it’s part & parcel with the idea of preserving collegiate sports as an amateur venue. The tangible benefits of excelling in a sport are potential pro offers or a pro career. It’s not just football. Baseball, basketball, golf & soccer offer extremely lucrative pro career paths if you succeed at the collegiate level. So we’re talking about affecting ALL sports offered by the school, not just football. This will kill any and all previous attempts to negate already unfair recruiting practices by large schools giving them a larger advantage over already big advantages that exist for large schools as it is. The disparity will explode and kill off all semblance of a fair and just sports competition between educational institutions. You know, the reason for college sports to begin with. This isn’t supposed to be a feeder semi-pro league.

If a player wants to be a pro then there are ways for them to do that. Attending school is supposed to be for the purpose of furthering an education. People need to get a grip on that concept because collegiate sport exists compliments of the educational opportunity not the other way around. The value of that education is real to all who attend regardless if they choose to play a sport or not. Some students are skilled at intellectual endeavors and are “paid” via academic scholarship, others are “paid” via sport scholarship. To suggest one deserves more than that while receiving their education is counter to the reason for attending to begin with.

Largely overlooked is the fact that most, if not all, of the super small percentage of players who make it to the pros only were able to do that thanks to the marketing, facilities & supporting staffs & equipment freely provided to them in addition to their free education, room & board. Without that they would be likely never sniffing the pros. So, to suggest they deserve to make money while also receiving all the other free assistance that allows them to succeed is disingenuous.

It smacks of greed and corporatism at the expense of one of the few places left where at least the spirit of amateur athletic competition existed intermingled with a segment of life designed to be focused on higher education.

If you want a development league, fine, try another one. Leave the collegiate experience alone.

Now everyone can pile on, have at it.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

.....

I liked it better when he wasn't drunk until later in the evening.

probably not his fault. being a Cherokee with high cheekbones he probably gets drunk easily.

 

[TheDouglas78]

If you want a development league, fine, try another one.

Now everyone can pile on, have at it.

One developmental league just folded and another will be starting 2020 (XFL)

 

[Swamp Donkey]

One developmental league just folded and another will be starting 2020 (XFL)

that's because people in California and New York where they put the ****y teams don't care.

 

[Sec14Gator]

It smacks of greed

Ah yes, the backbone of the American dream and its economic growth.

Far too many of you on this topic (especially those of you fighting for “amateurism” at the highest levels:



And for some self reflection, below represents me somehow continually weighing in on a topic where I’m fairly agnostic but can’t stop seeing the irony in these anti-capitalist, downright socialist posts, from people bashing California for the same thing:

 

[stephenPE]

It smacks of greed

 

[stephenPE]

I liked it better when he wasn't drunk until later in the evening.

probably not his fault. being a Cherokee with high cheekbones he probably gets drunk easily.

Like my daddy , i love the stuff so its all about MODERATION and rare occasions.............today aint one of them.

 

[5-Star Finger]

But this is a fun diversion. How soon until all of us but Ox start uniting in hating Barn?